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passed mrs bonkers from next door this morning as she was squatting having a piss on the main road from Blackheath to Halesowen. not even tried to hide herself but was sat there in full daylight on one of the busiest roads in the area.

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passed mrs bonkers from next door this morning as she was squatting having a piss on the main road from Blackheath to Halesowen. not even tried to hide herself but was sat there in full daylight on one of the busiest roads in the area.


I'm intrigued now. Was she in the gutter area, or in the middle of the road?

Perhaps she has a bladder infection causing her to take impromptu pisses, so her slash on your drive, may not have been so sinister after all. She just got caught short. Perhaps this infection has also affected her brain, hence her sometimes erratic behaviour.

Did you see her bush, or arse?

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passed mrs bonkers from next door this morning as she was squatting having a piss on the main road from Blackheath to Halesowen. not even tried to hide herself but was sat there in full daylight on one of the busiest roads in the area.


I'm intrigued now. Was she in the gutter area, or in the middle of the road?

Perhaps she has a bladder infection causing her to take impromptu pisses, so her slash on your drive, may not have been so sinister after all. She just got caught short. Perhaps this infection has also affected her brain, hence her sometimes erratic behaviour.

Did you see her bush, or arse?



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passed mrs bonkers from next door this morning as she was squatting having a piss on the main road from Blackheath to Halesowen. not even tried to hide herself but was sat there in full daylight on one of the busiest roads in the area.


I'm intrigued now. Was she in the gutter area, or in the middle of the road?

Perhaps she has a bladder infection causing her to take impromptu pisses, so her slash on your drive, may not have been so sinister after all. She just got caught short. Perhaps this infection has also affected her brain, hence her sometimes erratic behaviour.

Did you see her bush, or arse?



she,s needs some help from them blokes in white coats


I understood that she is a Bank Manager or Bank Employee so colleagues wouldn't notice anyone being Mad.

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next chapter to the saga........
wanky neighbours go out every Saturday without fail,she drives and gets totally trashed to the point where she cant walk when they pull up,(police have been told on numerous occasions but nothing ever gets done).this Saturday she gets back on her own around midnight and once again is pissed as a penguin,about half hour later her turd of a husband waddles down the street and starts banging the front door as she is refusing to let him in,she still refuses so he fetches a hammer out of his work van.a couple of bangs later and she has opened the door and let him in.5 minutes later he is walking back down the drive with her giving him a proper mouthful to which he takes offence and swiftly marches back up the drive and smashes her with a right hook that totally flattens her,he then proceeds to enter the house but because they have got the hallway light on you can see as clear as day that he is giving her a proper beating and after knocking her to the ground again he starts stamping on her.after this he leaves and the police turn up.
next morning she goes out and fetches him from where ever he has been hiding but within minutes of them turning up the police arrive and cart him off.
we all think great he is in for a proper bit of bother off the police and hopefully he aint coming back only for this to be dashed when she goes and fetches him and they are stood on the drive as if nothing has happened!!!
surely he cant get away with doing that if the police get involved?

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next chapter to the saga........
wanky neighbours go out every Saturday without fail,she drives and gets totally trashed to the point where she cant walk when they pull up,(police have been told on numerous occasions but nothing ever gets done).this Saturday she gets back on her own around midnight and once again is pissed as a penguin,about half hour later her turd of a husband waddles down the street and starts banging the front door as she is refusing to let him in,she still refuses so he fetches a hammer out of his work van.a couple of bangs later and she has opened the door and let him in.5 minutes later he is walking back down the drive with her giving him a proper mouthful to which he takes offence and swiftly marches back up the drive and smashes her with a right hook that totally flattens her,he then proceeds to enter the house but because they have got the hallway light on you can see as clear as day that he is giving her a proper beating and after knocking her to the ground again he starts stamping on her.after this he leaves and the police turn up.
next morning she goes out and fetches him from where ever he has been hiding but within minutes of them turning up the police arrive and cart him off.
we all think great he is in for a proper bit of bother off the police and hopefully he aint coming back only for this to be dashed when she goes and fetches him and they are stood on the drive as if nothing has happened!!!
surely he cant get away with doing that if the police get involved?


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surely he cant get away with doing that if the police get involved?

They deserve each other, mate. Pity they're your neighbours, though.

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brian laws bus ride wrote:
next chapter to the saga........
wanky neighbours go out every Saturday without fail,she drives and gets totally trashed to the point where she cant walk when they pull up,(police have been told on numerous occasions but nothing ever gets done).this Saturday she gets back on her own around midnight and once again is pissed as a penguin,about half hour later her turd of a husband waddles down the street and starts banging the front door as she is refusing to let him in,she still refuses so he fetches a hammer out of his work van.a couple of bangs later and she has opened the door and let him in.5 minutes later he is walking back down the drive with her giving him a proper mouthful to which he takes offence and swiftly marches back up the drive and smashes her with a right hook that totally flattens her,he then proceeds to enter the house but because they have got the hallway light on you can see as clear as day that he is giving her a proper beating and after knocking her to the ground again he starts stamping on her.after this he leaves and the police turn up.
next morning she goes out and fetches him from where ever he has been hiding but within minutes of them turning up the police arrive and cart him off.
we all think great he is in for a proper bit of bother off the police and hopefully he aint coming back only for this to be dashed when she goes and fetches him and they are stood on the drive as if nothing has happened!!!
surely he cant get away with doing that if the police get involved?
In fact the police would cart him off,complaint or not,or at least that's what the coppers in west brom told me! :shock:

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Cart him off, yes, prosecute him without a formal complaint, highly unlikely.

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can anyone make a complaint as my wife is scared for her safety?

Bri I think we have been down this route before.if your wife is scared for her safety you must go down the anti social behaviour route (ASB) with your local neighbourhood team plus other residents if poss.

The lady in question must do some act which intentionally or recklessy causes your wife to fear for HER personal safety to qualify as an assault in legal terms.She cannot make an allegation of assault by merely watching someone assault someone else.
She could however be instrumental in prosecuting the woman as a witness if a complaint was made by the victim of the assault.

Has she previously been convicted of an offence against yourselves in the past, if so this new legislation might be a better fit.... http://asbhelp.co.uk/criminal-behaviour-order/.

You must report each and every occurrence if it is causing your family so much grief, they will be logged and they will be eventually acted upon.

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cheers mate.
everything has been logged in the past but after her conditional caution she has been keeping herself quiet but her conditional discharge for damaging our garage has just run out so watch this space.....

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cheers mate.
everything has been logged in the past but after her conditional caution she has been keeping herself quiet but her conditional discharge for damaging our garage has just run out so watch this space.....


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cheers mate.
everything has been logged in the past but after her conditional caution she has been keeping herself quiet but her conditional discharge for damaging our garage has just run out so watch this space.....


Use the Force bri.


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can anyone make a complaint as my wife is scared for her safety?

Bri I think we have been down this route before.if your wife is scared for her safety you must go down the anti social behaviour route (ASB) with your local neighbourhood team plus other residents if poss.

The lady in question must do some act which intentionally or recklessy causes your wife to fear for HER personal safety to qualify as an assault in legal terms.She cannot make an allegation of assault by merely watching someone assault someone else.
She could however be instrumental in prosecuting the woman as a witness if a complaint was made by the victim of the assault.

Has she previously been convicted of an offence against yourselves in the past, if so this new legislation might be a better fit.... http://asbhelp.co.uk/criminal-behaviour-order/.

You must report each and every occurrence if it is causing your family so much grief, they will be logged and they will be eventually acted upon.


What about Common Law ?

Breach of the Peace still carries a citizens power of arrest here, has it gone from the UK mate ?

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can anyone make a complaint as my wife is scared for her safety?

Bri I think we have been down this route before.if your wife is scared for her safety you must go down the anti social behaviour route (ASB) with your local neighbourhood team plus other residents if poss.

The lady in question must do some act which intentionally or recklessy causes your wife to fear for HER personal safety to qualify as an assault in legal terms.She cannot make an allegation of assault by merely watching someone assault someone else.
She could however be instrumental in prosecuting the woman as a witness if a complaint was made by the victim of the assault.

Has she previously been convicted of an offence against yourselves in the past, if so this new legislation might be a better fit.... http://asbhelp.co.uk/criminal-behaviour-order/.

You must report each and every occurrence if it is causing your family so much grief, they will be logged and they will be eventually acted upon.


What about Common Law ?

Breach of the Peace still carries a citizens power of arrest here, has it gone from the UK mate ?


BOP is an antiquated power nowadays Mr Ging, it is fraught with dangers.The modern Bobby chooses the Affray option so that it can be handed on,plus bail is applicable, whereas BOP has no power to bail.
Custody officers dislike BOP because once it has finished you ay really got anything else, plus they have to be kept in for court the following day which blocks cell space plus the court calendar for shitty bind overs. Also,once you choose the Affray option you cannot revert back to your BOP powers for charging or remanding.
You intervene in a BOP using your common law powers and you get a counter allegation of assault from the other party, who do you think will be locked up??

Bri's best bet is not to get involved at all and use the legislation that is there.The resources that have been put into neighbourhood Policing over the last few years dwarf what have been invested in my neck of the woods, it has also put big pressures on the immediate response/ front line Bobby, hey ho,.... use them if they are there.

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Could you define the law of AFFRAY?

Breach of the Peace used to be a decent option as you could use it (I believe) to override civil law such as Trespass by saying that the Trespass itself was likely to cause a BOP? I think that is how it was described to me many moons ago when I staking out some remote house with land with a woman on her own who said she was being 'harassed' by some trespasser during the late dark evenings.

Never saw or caught anyone albeit, interestingly enough, I went to see the Special Branch guy in Kidderminster who said they'd had interest in the place because a vehicle had been spotted nearby with a suspected IRA number plate. They'd put CCTV cameras on the place for 6 months and seen nothing, but I was on ten quid an hour and spent a few evenings there. Never know to this day if she was just psychotic or genuine, but you never really know what goes on your own doorstep until it happens to you.

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Affray is a pain in the bollocks, full stop. A pointless offence that the bean counters wont crime and the CPS wont charge, people arrested for Affray waste thousands of investigators Police hours.

It used to be an offence that only carried a power of arrest if " Found Committing", i.e. as a bobby, you bumped into the Affrayers AS they were Affraying, not when you think they might have Affrayed and may possibly Affray again once you have knobbed off.
That was what Breach of the Peace powers was for, but we seem to have forgotten those powers for the pointless charade of Affray.

Example, and I shit you not. Call to Numnut Terrace stating there is big disorder kicking off, Police turn up to find three blokes arguing, all bloodied with torn clothing and smashed glass surrounding them.
The caller who wishes to remain anonymous states " The Polish bloke was hitting that African fella because the African fella had been fighting with that Lithuanian bloke who is the Polish blokes housemate"

All 3 get locked up for Affray.

The legal definition for Affray is as follows.... it must be proved that a person has used or threatened: unlawful violence;towards another;and his conduct is such as would cause;a person of reasonable firmness;present at the scene;
to fear for his personal safety.

The person of reasonable firmness need not actually be present and a Police Officer usually cannot fear for their personal safety and become that person.

So, you have three blokes to deal with, no one has made a complaint, by the time you actually get to interview all three of them some 12 hours later when they have all had the services of a solicitor, a Doctor, a nurse, an Interpreter.
They all say during interview "No comment" so none of them are making a complaint of being that person of reasonable firmness or to have been assaulted by any other person so no actual evidence exists to say that an Affray has occurred.

BUT, the attending officer has documented that these persons HAD been obviously fighting and as such we have to refer the matter to CPS.
CPS then ask where our victims are, we say we ay got none, they say was they using weapons, we say whats that got to do with affray, they loff like drains, chastise us for bothering them with such nonsense in the first place, and tell us to get on with it.
So they get kicked out after the best part of a day in custody with no charge, back to renew their hostilities.
If the original Bobby had used his BOP powers they all could have been kept in for court in the morning where a 12 month bind over would be placed upon them, but because the Bobby went straight to Affray one cannot then revert back to BOP.

Now you think it would end there, NNOOOOO, not in the modern Police service. Once an offence of affray was believed to have happened a crime number has to be created or "Ethically Crimed" although no one is telling us a crime has actually been committed.
Now the persons who allocate crime numbers will not crime an Affray if there is ethical evidence that an assault has taken place so THREE crimes have to be recorded as a crime against each protagonist as the victim.

So, I have my officers stuck all day dealing with shit that I know wont go anywhere from minute one.
I then have three crimes on my patch that will never be solved instead of one. The cost of investigating that one offence of fighting oafs is enormous, for no end whatsoever.

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Might as well just let um have a punch-up ayyit.... let um sort themselves out a bit.


:lol: There's an Affray mate!, terrifying ay it, wont somebody think of the children!

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:lol: There's an Affray mate!, terrifying ay it, wont somebody think of the children!


Group 4 is the answer and let you professionals get on with catching real criminals. :wink:

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I remember my wrongful arrest for AFFRAY, but I had my day in court, and emerged in to the Winter sunshine, a free man. That fookin episode cost me a lot of time and aggro, for nowt, and I never punched Officer A, B or C, as was alledged, because I was up the road in Queen Square!

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I remember my wrongful arrest for AFFRAY, but I had my day in court, and emerged in to the Winter sunshine, a free man. That fookin episode cost me a lot of time and aggro, for nowt, and I never punched Officer A, B or C, as was alledged, because I was up the road in Queen Square!


It wor a day in court then, it was an affray in court. :wink:

If Yo woz up the road then, yo was probably an accessory to the crime. Nail em up I say. :wink:

Did you get arrested from CCTV images or from an identity parade?

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I remember my wrongful arrest for AFFRAY, but I had my day in court, and emerged in to the Winter sunshine, a free man. That fookin episode cost me a lot of time and aggro, for nowt, and I never punched Officer A, B or C, as was alledged, because I was up the road in Queen Square!


It wor a day in court then, it was an affray in court. :wink:

If Yo woz up the road then, yo was probably an accessory to the crime. Nail em up I say. :wink:

Did you get arrested from CCTV images or from an identity parade?


Long story, but I was the pacifier in a heated argument, in the early hours, when some passing Bobbies radioed in 'the boys'. I wouldn't have minded, but there wasn't a punch thrown, by anyone. Thinking back, the whole thing was probably used as an exercise for the Red Lion crew.

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I remember my wrongful arrest for AFFRAY, but I had my day in court, and emerged in to the Winter sunshine, a free man. That fookin episode cost me a lot of time and aggro, for nowt, and I never punched Officer A, B or C, as was alledged, because I was up the road in Queen Square!


It wor a day in court then, it was an affray in court. :wink:

If Yo woz up the road then, yo was probably an accessory to the crime. Nail em up I say. :wink:

Did you get arrested from CCTV images or from an identity parade?


Long story, but I was the pacifier in a heated argument, in the early hours, when some passing Bobbies radioed in 'the boys'. I wouldn't have minded, but there wasn't a punch thrown, by anyone. Thinking back, the whole thing was probably used as an exercise for the Red Lion crew.


Did being the "Pacifier" make you the "Dummy" then ?

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Long story, but I was the pacifier in a heated argument, in the early hours, when some passing Bobbies radioed in 'the boys'. I wouldn't have minded, but there wasn't a punch thrown, by anyone. Thinking back, the whole thing was probably used as an exercise for the Red Lion crew.


Did being the "Pacifier" make you the "Dummy" then ?


On this occasion, yes. I had my graduation later that morning, so a few hours in the nick was not what I needed. Happy days!

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