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Does it matter to you, do you have a Social conscience or do you think I'm all right Jack?

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Beggars belief this government should be shot. The wife was treated for a grade 3 cancer 6 years ago.GP referred her to hospital, she was seen one week later 3 tests plus results on the same day, operated on 2 days later, pathology report in 5 days, chemo 4 weeks later. Under this bunch if xxnts the same process is taking 2:months, in my wife's case that would have been too long as it had already started to spread as there were traces in lymph nodes. Cameron I wouldn't piss on that shit if he was on fire.


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35 in a year in Newcastle?doesn't seem massive figures to me.Oh and still getting figures of 50,000 per home game too?Maybe there are some other choices to be made?
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Does it matter to you, do you have a Social conscience or do you think I'm all right Jack?


Yeah, it matters to me albeit, these broad brush newspaper reports tell you nothing really; I am sure there are genuine deserving people that require help and that are not able to help themselves and then, there are those that would rather spend their handouts on beer, cigarettes and packets of crisps than prepare themselves a cheap healthy nourishing meal.

Too many able bodied folk have been allowed to sit back, take it easy and expect others to foot the bill and it is a culture that is extremely difficult to change.

Most Politicians are Spotty Frogs out for themselves, but folk have got to learn how to take care of themselves without reverting to crime and continuous handouts from an almost bankrupt system when they have never paid anything into it.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27110613

Interesting bit at the bottom about a Blogger who feeds 1 adult and 1 child 'healthily' on £10 per week.

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Interesting bit at the bottom about a Blogger who feeds 1 adult and 1 child 'healthily' on £10 per week.


they must a have a bloody big allotment

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A year old, but surely prices haven't gone up that much: -

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-22263706

You don't need much space to provide fresh food during the growing season - a small balcony and a few discarded containers is enough - just need to find the compost, some seeds. You could get enough new potatoes each night of the week during the growing season from a couple of containers and without killing the plant source, just knowledge and the will to do it as opposed to buying fast foods. I already have a few herbs going and just snip off what I need when I need it. The Mint is a great breath freshener and tasty too. Young nettles in abundance for soup and salad. Just check that they ain't growing in a dog pi$$ing area. :roll:

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A year old, but surely prices haven't gone up that much: -

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-22263706

You don't need much space to provide fresh food during the growing season - a small balcony and a few discarded containers is enough - just need to find the compost, some seeds. You could get enough new potatoes each night of the week during the growing season from a couple of containers and without killing the plant source, just knowledge and the will to do it as opposed to buying fast foods. I already have a few herbs going and just snip off what I need when I need it. The Mint is a great breath freshener and tasty too. Young nettles in abundance for soup and salad. Just check that they ain't growing in a dog pi$$ing area. :roll:


Maybe you should make your own dandelion & burdock pop. Allotments used to be a big thing years ago, and like golf clubs, you had to wait until someone kicked the bucket, to get in. There's still one behind St Michael's on Coalway Road, but the one down Boundary Way, top of Highfield's School, always seemed to be thriving. Not only is it satisfying to be able to grow some of your own produce, for a fraction of the cost on the High Street, but you also have your own private shed to seek sanctuary in.

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Does it matter to you, do you have a Social conscience or do you think I'm all right Jack?

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A year old, but surely prices haven't gone up that much: -

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-22263706

You don't need much space to provide fresh food during the growing season - a small balcony and a few discarded containers is enough - just need to find the compost, some seeds. You could get enough new potatoes each night of the week during the growing season from a couple of containers and without killing the plant source, just knowledge and the will to do it as opposed to buying fast foods. I already have a few herbs going and just snip off what I need when I need it. The Mint is a great breath freshener and tasty too. Young nettles in abundance for soup and salad. Just check that they ain't growing in a dog pi$$ing area. :roll:


Maybe you should make your own dandelion & burdock pop. Allotments used to be a big thing years ago, and like golf clubs, you had to wait until someone kicked the bucket, to get in. There's still one behind St Michael's on Coalway Road, but the one down Boundary Way, top of Highfield's School, always seemed to be thriving. Not only is it satisfying to be able to grow some of your own produce, for a fraction of the cost on the High Street, but you also have your own private shed to seek sanctuary in.


Just got my very first Greenhouse erected and numerous seeds are potted I even put one of those Hemp plants in there just to see what happens. :lol: Just nicked a few Sun Flowers from the field and planted those in my garden. I don't like the seeds, but the Wife does and the rest can feed the birds during winter.

Found some mushrooms on the morning dog walk and cut them, the taste is so much better that those you buy in the supermarket. Coming around to snail preparation and cooking, but not sure we can manage 40 in one sitting, will have to freeze half I reckon.

Rozza has his own shed, but I dow think he grows anything in it. Stokie has a shed too for beer storage I thought. :lol:

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Does it matter to you, do you have a Social conscience or do you think I'm all right Jack?

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/hea ... 0AocLxEBKg.


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You just shouldn't fuck up our front line services. Its just not on and these bastards have to be exposed.

Cancer test delays are putting lives at risk, experts warn. Waiting times 5 times higher than under Labour in 2010.

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NHS is overloaded ...Johnny Foreigner has got to get his Pox sorted first ..right?


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The nhs is ********* whoever is in charge.Go ask the staff and they lament the people in suits who are on a fortune, do fuck all and instead of asking the people who do the job what they think they introduce practice and procedure that add nothing but time and money.
I agree that the millions who flocked here have made the problem worse but don't think kk will give an inch on that as a reasoned argument because labour can do no wrong :oops:
Also with cancer and other conditions detection rates have increased so much over the years and this happens with progress and so it is no wonder waiting is up given this and numbers.

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NHS is overloaded ...Johnny Foreigner has got to get his Pox sorted first ..right?


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The nhs is ********* whoever is in charge.Go ask the staff and they lament the people in suits who are on a fortune, do fuck all and instead of asking the people who do the job what they think they introduce practice and procedure that add nothing but time and money.
I agree that the millions who flocked here have made the problem worse but don't think kk will give an inch on that as a reasoned argument because labour can do no wrong :oops:
Also with cancer and other conditions detection rates have increased so much over the years and this happens with progress and so it is no wonder waiting is up given this and numbers.


Thing I don't quite understand is, that if you can pay or have good health insurance then, you can get the treatment very quickly by the same 'specialists' that also treat NHS patients which surely, pushes those back in the queue those that have nothing more than their NIC or less.

I am well out of touch with current day rules, but I think it used to be that Consultants employed by the NHS were allowed so many Private patients per year either with a cap on income or hours.

Surely there is no lack of Doctors available as there are loads here in Bulgaria looking to work in Western Europe, is it just a lack of facilities and bad management. Does anyone have factual accounts of just how many Johnny Foreigners are using NHS facilitates?

The UK system is so laid back, that you can more or less walk into any A&E and get treated. Even if you sign up for a local GP nobody really used to ask if you're entitled to treatment or not. No that way here in Bulgaria - in an emergency you will get treated, but for anything else, they ask to see your I.D. enter the details into the Bulgarian National Health Fund via their computer system and they can see straight away whether you have paid your monthly subscription or not - you're allowed a window of up to 3 months after your last payment as if more, you have to pay for your treatment.

Also, I am of the impression that where there are no subsidised prescription medicines that the prices for drugs fall as folk will simply go without. I have had the feeling for many a year that the Pharma's have been ripping off all UK governments which takes it toll on the NHS budget.

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I reckon the figures would be frightening when you add to that the additions to the family over the years but I doubt they will be publishing those.
People are here now we have to deal with that, it is the old one of trying to slow or stop anymore mass arrivals.If you can't do that then you cannot begin to have a plan.

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The nhs is ********* whoever is in charge.Go ask the staff and they lament the people in suits who are on a fortune, do fuck all and instead of asking the people who do the job what they think they introduce practice and procedure that add nothing but time and money.
I agree that the millions who flocked here have made the problem worse but don't think kk will give an inch on that as a reasoned argument because labour can do no wrong :oops:
Also with cancer and other conditions detection rates have increased so much over the years and this happens with progress and so it is no wonder waiting is up given this and numbers.



I ay that bad - honest.

As a "manager" in the NHS I understand the frustrations. The real problem is that there is so much inconsistent and muddled thinking coming down from successive governments. They continually squeeze budgets with increasing patient numbers and expect efficiency improvements to compensate. When you have tried that for 10 years in a row it gets a bit more difficult. They gave GP's contracts so that they could do less for more and not be around much out of hours. Then they wonder why more people started coming to A and E. In terms of the personnel there are many caring and conscientious people trying to make things work (even some managers). There are also many who are only interested in themselves - Nurses and Doctors included. I worked on sorting out doctors contracts etc for some time and it amazed me just how many of them appeared to be out to screw the NHS for every penny they could - the vocational calling seemed way down their list of priorities.

In theory consultants are meant to give a standard 40 hours per week to the NHS. They can then do private work after that and most of them do that work in private hospitals - bupacare etc. In practice their weekly job plans include administration and study time which they can do flexibly "at home" and often they will be at private clinics during normal working hours because "they are doing their flexible work at evenings and weekends".

The NHS is just too big a monster to manage effectively and with every change of government leading to a change in direction and priorities it is not surprising things become messy.

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Sorry Lb obviously nothing personal but sometimes when you generalise you upset someone you shouldn't.I've read your posts on many subjects and seen and been on the receiving end of some kind comments so I am more than sure in your case you do give a damn.Also you see more of the problems at the top than me too so it is good to here it from a different viewpoint.
I've seen more than enough of the inside of hospitals local and none over the last 8 months and I've seen the good,the bad and the bleedin awful lb in those months.Also I've seen the good and bad side of gps too.It is a mess.
Do you know my biggest complaint, it may seem small in the grand scale of things but it is a bedside manner.It makes a big difference with me, the elderly and it is one thing that costs nothing but from hospital to hospital, doctor to doctor, nurse to nurse it is either brilliant or non existent..Why?If you are dealing with people, many who need reassurance obviously, in what should be a caring profession if you havn't got it then you should not be in the job.
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Do you know my biggest complaint, it may seem small in the grand scale of things but it is a bedside manner. It makes a big difference with me, the elderly and it is one thing that costs nothing but from hospital to hospital, doctor to doctor, nurse to nurse it is either brilliant or non existent..Why?If you are dealing with people, many who need reassurance obviously, in what should be a caring profession if you havn't got it then you should not be in the job.
The basics are not in place lb so what hope is there?


I can fully agree with that statement and it make one hell of a difference when you are nervous or even scared of what might be albeit, it works both ways - if you're taking shite all day from rude people then, it will have an affect on how you respond. Hence, no more friendly Beat Bobbies as another example - nobody respects the uniform folk wear nowadays. Everyone has their tolerance limit and breaking point.

We certainly don't get a kind bedside manner in Eastern Europe - treated like meat unless in a private hospital. So, we pay for a kind face.

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Sorry Lb obviously nothing personal but sometimes when you generalise you upset someone you shouldn't.I've read your posts on many subjects and seen and been on the receiving end of some kind comments so I am more than sure in your case you do give a damn.Also you see more of the problems at the top than me too so it is good to here it from a different viewpoint.
I've seen more than enough of the inside of hospitals local and none over the last 8 months and I've seen the good,the bad and the bleedin awful lb in those months.Also I've seen the good and bad side of gps too.It is a mess.
Do you know my biggest complaint, it may seem small in the grand scale of things but it is a bedside manner.It makes a big difference with me, the elderly and it is one thing that costs nothing but from hospital to hospital, doctor to doctor, nurse to nurse it is either brilliant or non existent..Why?If you are dealing with people, many who need reassurance obviously, in what should be a caring profession if you havn't got it then you should not be in the job.
The basics are not in place lb so what hope is there?



No offence taken KBS and, as I say, I do fully understand your feelings. I do see another perspective at times though and there are good and bad. Bedside manner should be paramount but too many nurses and doctors don't see it as important now. I think Nursing suffered when they made it a degree profession. It turned it from a vocation to a career and some feel that "caring" is beneath them. Doctors, particularly surgeons, are often self assured people who think they are the most important around. Bedside manner wouldn't come into it. To put balance in though I would say that there are many kind and caring doctors. There was a recent tv programme about the elderly in hospital and one of the doctors in that, who I know, was exceptionally caring towards his patients. Often though they do get overwhelmed by the system. A Doc might feel that a patient is getting better but could do with another day or two in hospital, problem is that there are people in A&E needing a bed and the doctor is forced to discharge the patient to ensure the hospital doesn't breach it's targets for people waiting in A&E. And on it goes.

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I was talking to a female relative last week, works in NHS admin.

She had to forward some documents to a fellow with two children who had lost his wife ( she died ) in hospital.

She was 40 years old, he required some documents to be able to claim something plus to sort a few other important details.

Just a few years back this proceedure would take less than a week to sort, now each case can take 7 to 10 weeks.
This case 9 weeks, week after week he had been trying to see if the documentation would be forthcoming.
She ( NHS ) hates herself for not being able to help him, from one department to another, with new high convaluting systems added.
She was helpless to bring it further forward. This happens week after week.

Under constant threat of redundancy, with French privateers looking to take over never has the staff of the NHS been more disillusioned.

So much is being sold off to private contractors, not hardly anything is being reported by the BBC or other media.
A national disgrace is taking place very quietly.
Sold off to the people who put cash before patient care. Just bastards in play to be honest.

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I was talking to a female relative last week, works in NHS admin.

She had to forward some documents to a fellow with two children who had lost his wife ( she died ) in hospital.

She was 40 years old, he required some documents to be able to claim something plus to sort a few other important details.

Just a few years back this proceedure would take less than a week to sort, now each case can take 7 to 10 weeks.
This case 9 weeks, week after week he had been trying to see if the documentation would be forthcoming.
She ( NHS ) hates herself for not being able to help him, from one department to another, with new high convaluting systems added.
She was helpless to bring it further forward. This happens week after week.

Under constant threat of redundancy, with French privateers looking to take over never has the staff of the NHS been more disillusioned.

So much is being sold off to private contractors, not hardly anything is being reported by the BBC or other media.
A national disgrace is taking place very quietly.
Sold off to the people who put cash before patient care. Just bastards in play to be honest.


Business is being put before people's lives, and nobody's blowing the whistle, or they are, but it's lost it's pea? In business, or work, or industry, whatever, when resources are being cut for profit gain, or to cut losses, it creates pressure and stress, but we all have mortgages to pay, SO, who is going to speak out, and risk losing their job? I can speak from experience, in that when a foreign company are allowed to take over (in my case Jewish Yank Private Equity cu*ts), you are slowly raped. Why aren't the BBC making a fuss???

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There are good people like Clive Peedell speaking loud, but the BBC has become nothing more than a right wing mouthpiece.

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There are good people like Clive Peedell speaking loud, but the BBC has become nothing more than a right wing mouthpiece.

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Jeez Knocker, if you think the Beeb is right wing, you really are losing it mate.......

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I was talking to a female relative last week, works in NHS admin.

She had to forward some documents to a fellow with two children who had lost his wife ( she died ) in hospital.

She was 40 years old, he required some documents to be able to claim something plus to sort a few other important details.

Just a few years back this proceedure would take less than a week to sort, now each case can take 7 to 10 weeks.
This case 9 weeks, week after week he had been trying to see if the documentation would be forthcoming.
She ( NHS ) hates herself for not being able to help him, from one department to another, with new high convaluting systems added.
She was helpless to bring it further forward. This happens week after week.

Under constant threat of redundancy, with French privateers looking to take over never has the staff of the NHS been more disillusioned.

So much is being sold off to private contractors, not hardly anything is being reported by the BBC or other media.
A national disgrace is taking place very quietly.
Sold off to the people who put cash before patient care. Just bastards in play to be honest.


Business is being put before people's lives, and nobody's blowing the whistle, or they are, but it's lost it's pea? In business, or work, or industry, whatever, when resources are being cut for profit gain, or to cut losses, it creates pressure and stress, but we all have mortgages to pay, SO, who is going to speak out, and risk losing their job? I can speak from experience, in that when a foreign company are allowed to take over (in my case Jewish Yank Private Equity cu*ts), you are slowly raped. Why aren't the BBC making a fuss???


I feel for you as I spoke out in my first civvy job after leaving the Army and got sacked by an Australian owned company in the UK. I was in South Africa a week later earning proper money, but that is not the point. I fookin hate having to tolerate shit day in, day out just because it is necessary to pay a fookin mortgage for over priced housing in the first place.

I guess you like many others that want to do something for themselves and family will just have to stay on the treadmill with a mouth full of nuts and keeps stum. On the other-hand, you could become one of Knocker's Revolutionary Party. :wink:

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There are good people like Clive Peedell speaking loud, but the BBC has become nothing more than a right wing mouthpiece.

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Jeez Knocker, if you think the Beeb is right wing, you really are losing it mate.......


The beebs royal charter is up for renewal quite soon so kk is probably correct in his assumption.You scratch my back and all that.

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NHS FREE at the point of access is worth fighting for without trying to gain any political points.
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NHS FREE at the point of access is worth fighting for without trying to gain any political points.
Whoever fails to deliver deserves to be exposed.


Kk it is a vicious circle and as we are virtual bankrupt due to many reasons how can we continue to provide such a service?I agree it should be but how?No significant cuts have been made yet anywhere and as I had pity for any government who took over from labour(that is a given kk even you can't argue with that)whoever gets in next is really screwed.Cameron and co will duck and dive and pretend we are on the up knowing they have no chance of getting back in and will pass the baton onto labour.That will be interesting :mrgreen:

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NHS FREE at the point of access is worth fighting for without trying to gain any political points.
Whoever fails to deliver deserves to be exposed.


Kk it is a vicious circle and as we are virtual bankrupt due to many reasons how can we continue to provide such a service?I agree it should be but how?No significant cuts have been made yet anywhere and as I had pity for any government who took over from labour(that is a given kk even you can't argue with that)whoever gets in next is really screwed.Cameron and co will duck and dive and pretend we are on the up knowing they have no chance of getting back in and will pass the baton onto labour.That will be interesting :mrgreen:


Strange situation and a part of being British I guess as we continue to provide aid to corrupt third world countries and spend Billions on wars we shouldn't be a part of. Meanwhile, folk that have worked and paid their stamp get robbed in broad daylight out of a few more years of their pension rights and the nation's health service is torn apart. I sometimes get the impression that they're trying to kill us off, especially those over 55.

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Look at the news today and the story of Gladys Wright in the care home, I rarely get moved to tears but shit what the f*** is wrong with the country.Those feckers should never have been working there and nor should many of the staff.
The owners should be made accountable and jailed for 5 years plus and the same for the scrotes that did it, until the sentences are tough what is the point.
Take a look at the bristol post it is depressing reading.

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