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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:30 pm 
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Why did Rowett play Lawrence in a more defensive role to compensate other less creative players tonight against us, surely, they needed the points too?
It seemed like damage limitation

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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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CANNOCK WOLF wrote:
Why did Rowett play Lawrence in a more defensive role to compensate other less creative players tonight against us, surely, they needed the points too?
It seemed like damage limitation


I was reading the Derby forums match thread and they were not amused by that whatsoever. He clearly gave up and just wanted to protect the GD / confidence.

Reading their forums a little shows they aren't 100% happy with the style of play under Rowett. A bit too much hoofball and directness.


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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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Don't mention the "hoof" some will have an heart attack

I would like to read Knockers take on it..?

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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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They looked scared to attack, I can see why Derby fans aren't happy, and Rowett is the next dinosaur manager, him and Monk will replace Warnock and Mick when they retire

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Rowett is one of the masters of old school thinking, he can set a side up that has an edge on normal Championship sides.
Its different though when he has to compete against Wolves or Fulham, because those sides are more Chess than Checkers.

What you normally get in the Championship is sides who play to rigid positions.

In Chess it would be like moving the King or the Castle.

Predictable and not going far from their set up positions.

With Fulham and Wolves you have coaches who use the half spaces, more Queens and Bishops in their movements.

So Rowett normally can get away with fielding players who are not mobile, Huddlestone as an example.

But against us its different questions, without mobility your pretty much stuffed.
Chelsea at our place in the Cup last season, after half time we couldn't get near them.

Same with Pardew at the Albion, ok playing checkers, cant get to grips with these continentals when they advance the chess set.

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Cheers Knocker, like a Neves goal, worth the admission on its own.
I was disappointed, in Derbys whole approach.
Compare it with Hulls attitude, previously, with a much changed team, in a "free hit" game.

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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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Cheers Knocker, like a Neves goal, worth the admission on its own.
I was disappointed, in Derbys whole approach.
Compare it with Hulls attitude, previously, with a much changed team, in a "free hit" game.



Afobe still plays old school.

Plays in straight lines like a Castle.

Watch his passes, especially those he lays backwards often to players on the same vertical line.

So the receiver then has to play a square ball to create an angle. Creates two extra passes, slowing the game down.

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I think his workrate and effort have been excellent..his pass against Cardiff to put Costa in was not the old Benik

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Afobe has definitely been trying to adapt and fit in although he isn't there yet. He has only been working with Nunofor a couple of months though and look what happened to the likes of Coady, Cavaleiro and Doherty when they had time on the training field before the season started. I wouldn't give up on him yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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I really want Benik Afobe to do well and earn a contract because he is a top lad with a kind heart.

He wouldn't be given opportunities by Nuno if he wasn't trying hard to adapt his ways to Wolves pattern.

If I was Wolves I would try and loan him again next season with a view to buying him based on development and appearances.

No way will Wolves spunk 10 million on him this summer. So they have to find a deal to suit all parties.

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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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Disregarding Adobe will be a mistake, more time with Nuno, and a pre season will make him a better player

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CANNOCK WOLF wrote:
Disregarding Adobe will be a mistake, more time with Nuno, and a pre season will make him a better player


i couldn't agree more, i think he gives us another dimension

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CANNOCK WOLF wrote:
Disregarding Adobe will be a mistake, more time with Nuno, and a pre season will make him a better player


i couldn't agree more, i think he gives us another dimension


But he's not ours. Nuno will enjoy the dimension he brings, but will that enjoyment equate to the large actual transfer fee from B'Mouth ? Mendes may have some other striking options for less up his sleeve.

Let's see.

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CANNOCK WOLF wrote:
Disregarding Adobe will be a mistake, more time with Nuno, and a pre season will make him a better player


i couldn't agree more, i think he gives us another dimension


But he's not ours. Nuno will enjoy the dimension he brings, but will that enjoyment equate to the large actual transfer fee from B'Mouth ? Mendes may have some other striking options for less up his sleeve.

Let's see.


its clearly not our decision!

just a bit of speculation. personally i think he has been very good and has helped us over the line a bit easier than if we didn't have him.

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 Post subject: Re: Gary Rowett gone
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whelp wrote:

just a bit of speculation. personally i think he has been very good and has helped us over the line a bit easier than if we didn't have him.


Absolutely. Bonatini ran out of steam months ago. Afobe has helped be a figurehead when we needed one. I know Cav and Jota can also play in that position but it's not really worked out as well when they do. I wouldn't be against signing him for next season. But we would probably need to sign someone else who could be an upgrade to Bonatini but play the same sort of style to him. That was when we were at our best pre-January.


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just a bit of speculation. personally i think he has been very good and has helped us over the line a bit easier than if we didn't have him.


Absolutely. Bonatini ran out of steam months ago. Afobe has helped be a figurehead when we needed one. I know Cav and Jota can also play in that position but it's not really worked out as well when they do. I wouldn't be against signing him for next season. But we would probably need to sign someone else who could be an upgrade to Bonatini but play the same sort of style to him. That was when we were at our best pre-January.


The problem with not signing Afobe or Leo is that we will need strikers next season. Do we want to gamble on bringing in 2-3 new strikers in the summer, with no guarantee that they will fit into the squad?

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