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Cally
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:15 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:59 pm Posts: 20382 Location: Newbiggin-by-the-Sea
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Hi all, Here we go again, it's prediction league time Before I launch it properly, suggestions were made last season about a revamp of the scoring system, so I would like to hear what people think? Are you happy with the current system? If not, what change(s) would you suggest? If we have a couple of proposals I'll do a poll so we can make a final decision on how things will run. The current rules are as follows - Correct score = 5 points
Correct result = (win/lose/draw) = 2 points (I'll remember to award the additional 2 points if you also get the correct score this season!)
Correct first WOLVES goalscorer = 5 points
Correct time of first WOLVES goal = 5 points
Time of first WOLVES goal within 5 mins either side of time = 2 points
0-0 draw = 7 points
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SilverstoneWolf
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:09 pm |
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Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 10:34 pm Posts: 9657 Location: The Cotswolds
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Hi Cally - did you get my reply? In case not:
I have always thought the KEY prediction is the result.
1. WIN LOSE or DRAW - and this should be 5 points.
2. Correct prediction of Wolves goals = 2 points
3. Correct prediction of Opponent goals = 2 points
4. Name of Wolves first scorer = 3 points
5. Time of Wolves 1st goal = 2 points (1 point if =/- 5 mins)
So… If I predict Wolves to win 3-1 v Everton, and Jota to score in 17th minute…. and all this comes true, I get 5 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 2 = 14 points
If Wolves win 3-2 and all the rest is right, I get 5 + 2 + 0 + 3 + 2 = 12 points
If Wolves win 2-1, but it is Cav in the 20th minute, I get 5 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 6 points
But if Wolves Draw 1-1, and Jota scores in 50th, I would get 0 + 0 + 2 + 3 + 0 = 5 points
And if Wolves draw 2-2 and Neves scores in 15th minute, score is 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 1 point
The PRESENT scoring system means that if someone gets the result MILES wrong, but luckily gets the scorer and time, they get loads of credit.
(So at present if Wolves LOSE 1 - 7, and you predicted a WIN by 5 - 0, but you get the scorer and time right, you get 10 points. But if you were nearly right and predicted a Wolves loss by 1-6 but the wrong time and first scorer, you would only get 2 points! That CANNOT be sensible!)
However, it is you who must decide what is EASIEST for you to manage. I think my system would be simple and fairer (but am happy if you want to change the balance of points a bit!!)
GOOD LUCK!!
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Cally
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:53 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:59 pm Posts: 20382 Location: Newbiggin-by-the-Sea
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Yes, I got it thanks 
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gladbachwolf
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:27 am |
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:17 pm Posts: 8226 Location: Swindon, Wiltshire
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I'm away today but will post an answer with suggestions by tomorrow.
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SilverstoneWolf
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:48 pm |
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Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 10:34 pm Posts: 9657 Location: The Cotswolds
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Come on guys & gals - get posting!
Cally wants our IDEAS!
BUT HER DECISION IS FINAL.
THERE IS NO APPEAL
THERE IS NO VOTE
THERE IS NO SECOND REFERENDUM
Autocracy is the best way of avoiding a Trump - as long as the autocrat is as wise and nice as Cally!
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desiwulf
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:25 pm |
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I`m happy with how it is to be honest. Nice and simple but I`m happy to go with the flow.
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gladbachwolf
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:48 am |
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Agree mainly with Cally's and Silver's ideas, I will go with the flow, happy to do so. My ideas would be:
Correct end scorecast: 7 points. i.e: Wolves 2 Everton 2.
Correct tendency ( win/ loss / draw): 2 points. i.e: Wolves 1 Everton 1.
First Wolves goalscorer………………..4 points.
Timing of Wolves first goal +/- 2 mins.....3 points.
Correct number of Wolves goals scored:...…..2 points.
Correct number of opposition goals scored:...2 points.
0-0 draw...…………………………………..7 points.
Red cards in the game...…………...2 points each.
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Muz
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:10 am |
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Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:35 pm Posts: 19165 Location: Perton
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Presume we're saying you can't predict a wolves goal scorer and put us down for a 0 as well to hedge bets
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Cally
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:56 pm |
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Muz wrote: Presume we're saying you can't predict a wolves goal scorer and put us down for a 0 as well to hedge bets Yeah, definitely keeping that as a rule!
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SilverstoneWolf
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:43 pm |
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Is that double jeopardy?
Just cos someone is wrong on one bit (zero goals) does that mean they HAVE to be wrong on the other?
In my proposal, a correct 0 - 0 proposal would score nine points (5 for result and two for each number of goals prediction)
If someone proposes 0 - 0, and Wolves win 1 - 0 with a goal by Jota (correctly predicted by the 0-0 person), they would score just 3 points.
Seems fair enough!
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Cally
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:57 pm |
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What would they get 3 points for? (I got 2 points for correct opposition goals based on your suggestion?) If they’ve gone for Wolves to not score and put a goal scorer down anyway they’ll be contradicting themselves. It’s a bit cheeky to predict like that, if you don’t think we’ll score then why put a goal scorer?
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knocker knowles
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:41 am |
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The kind of bets you can do on fixed odds coupons could be used in prediction leagues.
Stuff like half time result / full time result.
Easier than time of goalscorer and more likely to gain you a point or more.
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Cally
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:15 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:59 pm Posts: 20382 Location: Newbiggin-by-the-Sea
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I plan to run a poll on this shortly, any more suggestions would be welcome.
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Rozza
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:40 pm |
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Cally wrote: I plan to run a poll on this shortly, any more suggestions would be welcome. Keep it simple Cal or you will kill it before the punters do. Half time full time, corners and cards, assists and free kicks, it will take you hours 
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Cally
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:54 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:59 pm Posts: 20382 Location: Newbiggin-by-the-Sea
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Rozza wrote: Cally wrote: I plan to run a poll on this shortly, any more suggestions would be welcome. Keep it simple Cal or you will kill it before the punters do. Half time full time, corners and cards, assists and free kicks, it will take you hours  Christ, assists and free kicks? That’s more than what we already do! All suggestions have been sensible so far, I think I’ll cope with a few changes Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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SilverstoneWolf
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:45 am |
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Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 10:34 pm Posts: 9657 Location: The Cotswolds
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I think Rozza was being ironic!
Simplicity is the key. The present system gives too great rewards for unimportant stats. Surely it is the result and the goals that matter? Times and scorers are incidental, and cards, assists etc are irrelevant!
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