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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:23 pm 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41798404

Charged with affray, what a load of bollocks, the only reason he has been charged is because he is a public figure.
I have lost count of the number of Affray's I put to CPS who then decided to no further action them because the violence used was practiced on each other, or that no persons of "Reasonable Firmness" were present there.
I once had three shitbags fighting with each other in Dudley Street on an afternoon causing moms and kids and all sorts to scatter, they were witnessed by Police officers hitting each other with a shovel, arrested, put to CPS, NFA because the violence used was against the other protagonists, load of bollocks.

CPS also tell you very harshly that if an allegation of Assault is made, a broken eye socket fits the bill, then Affray CANNOT be considered over the offence against the person.

Disjointed bollocks again from CPS who are charging celebrity


What would you expect to happen now Rozza? Slap on the wrist or harsher punishment?


I am guessing that the person who's eye socket was broken has made no formal complaint and is probably included in the catch-all offence of Affray too.
If all three were involved in the charged Affray then the Crown cannot use their testimony against each other, because they are all Co-Accused which basically means that unless there are independant witnesses The Crown are using the CCTV as evidence in chief which is very dangerous to say the least.

Plus the fact that the CCTV has already gone nationwide one would have to question whether a fair trial could be held?
The maximum punishment is 3 years in chokey, trust me NO ONE gets that for Affray. If proven, which again is optimistic, Stokes is facing a maximum of 12 weeks inside is my estimate. Based on the premise that he has no form so to speak, a period of Community Service and a fine and a curfew is more than the likely outcome if indeed the jury find them guilty and indeed if it ever gets that far.


So does this mean that Stokes' statement here is wrong?
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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:33 pm 
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if co-offenders are tried together the statement of one accused is only admissible against its maker and is not evidence against any other accused.

We need to know what relationship exists between the three co-accused here. Stokes has no lawful reason to say anything at all that may incriminate himself.

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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No more that a breach of the peace..ridiculous

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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Young man fit and full of testosterone.

He should have known better, but please see above, we've all been there.

Someone wants to make a name for themselves in the CPS.

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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Young man fit and full of testosterone.

He should have known better, but please see above, we've all been there.

Someone wants to make a name for themselves in the CPS.


It's s shame ASC don't use our Crime systems any more, with the latest one, the CPS would be that fed up waiting for updates to come through on the Case, that they'd throw it out!

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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The 12 members plus the chairman of the ECB voted AGAINST the reintroduction of Stokes into the England squad, until the legal team advised them that Stokes could sue them, if his exclusion continued, so they counted again and he won.

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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The 12 members plus the chairman of the ECB voted AGAINST the reintroduction of Stokes into the England squad, until the legal team advised them that Stokes could sue them, if his exclusion continued, so they counted again and he won.


Innocent until proven guilty. A rather fundamental principle.

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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3-4 now this winter

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 Post subject: Re: England Cricket team
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Win the last two ODI games and we have had the upper hand over them....

Oh, hang on a minute..... :roll:

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