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KP hits a triple century, that could be awkward for Strauss.


Apparently the talks tonight have been Strauss telling KP he won't be picked for England again.

That worked well for the last bloke in the role didn't it?

The ECB are an absolute farce, and I'm already completely disillusioned with Strauss in this role, with this and his shocking treatment of Peter Moores



I think it's probably time the reasons for not considering KP are made public. Doubt if they will be though.


I think it's time that Jiz Moxey joined the E.C.B. I can see him slouching in the member's enclosure at Lords, in his eggs 'n' bacon.

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To be honest, the way the ECB is being run, Karl Oyston could probably go in there and improve it

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Another day, but the same shit..

Pietersen told Monday evening, that "form and ability" were not the issue and that the England set-up felt selecting Pietersen would be "a backward step".
In a test year when we will struggle to win one test.

The only missing missing from the ECB is Sepp Blatter.

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'Massive trust issue'.
'Not in the short-term interests of the team'.

Bye KP, not that he's played international cricket since 2013, let's move on.

Whatever anyone thinks about the disruptive influences of the Wolves dressing room of a couple of seasons ago, multiply it by ten and you still don't get near the effect KP had on the England dressing room.

One ill thought out line by the incoming ECB Chairman and the press were on the case. KP not being slow to see an opportunity to be the centre of attention was in his element.

I suppose it will rumble on and on, but in the best interests of the England team it should be put to bed once and for all.

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'Massive trust issue'.
'Not in the short-term interests of the team'.

Bye KP, not that he's played international cricket since 2013, let's move on.

Whatever anyone thinks about the disruptive influences of the Wolves dressing room of a couple of seasons ago, multiply it by ten and you still don't get near the effect KP had on the England dressing room.

One ill thought out line by the incoming ECB Chairman and the press were on the case. KP not being slow to see an opportunity to be the centre of attention was in his element.

I suppose it will rumble on and on, but in the best interests of the England team it should be put to bed once and for all.


So KP isn't trusted to be a player, but can be trusted to be an advisor for the limited overs team? :smt017 What an absolute joke.

And I still haven't seen a huge amount of evidence that KP was more detrimental to the England team than the Swann, Anderson, Broad axis

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toomb wrote:
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'Massive trust issue'.
'Not in the short-term interests of the team'.

Bye KP, not that he's played international cricket since 2013, let's move on.

Whatever anyone thinks about the disruptive influences of the Wolves dressing room of a couple of seasons ago, multiply it by ten and you still don't get near the effect KP had on the England dressing room.

One ill thought out line by the incoming ECB Chairman and the press were on the case. KP not being slow to see an opportunity to be the centre of attention was in his element.

I suppose it will rumble on and on, but in the best interests of the England team it should be put to bed once and for all.


So KP isn't trusted to be a player, but can be trusted to be an advisor for the limited overs team? :smt017 What an absolute joke.

And I still haven't seen a huge amount of evidence that KP was more detrimental to the England team than the Swann, Anderson, Broad axis



That is a strange one.

KP is a complete knob. Swann and Anderson are good down to earth blokes, don't know about Broad, but whatever they could offer in disruption KP could beat it hands down.

Some years ago, when everything in England's garden was seemingly lovely, KP was described to me by the then National Selector as 'high maintenance', in the extreme.

We all know that some players can be a little difficult at times, but KP takes that to a whole new level.

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KP's response:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/11600580/Kevin-Pietersen-My-fury-at-England-deceit.html

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And on Swann, Anderson and Broad:

Ajmal Shazhad wrote:
"I wish I could have socialised with my peers a bit more and been accepted a little bit more... Off the pitch you would go off and socialise with your friends in the team, and there were maybe two or three cliques who would stick together. I guess these cliques are not a healthy thing to develop.


Chris Tremlett wrote:
"Glad @KP24 has finally been able to give his side of the story. People can now make an informed opinion of what went on in the dressing room"


Ricky Ponting wrote:
"We saw them doing it. James Anderson was always the same, and Graeme Swann - the pointing of fingers and you'd hear a few expletives if there was a misfield or a dropped catch.

"The guys who were doing it were the so-called leaders. That's where the captain has got to come in, not wait and let little things turn into big things. That's what it sounds like has happened in this England team."


Graeme Smith wrote:
“A lot of the stuff he has touched on in his book, the bullying stuff, you experienced playing against them and you knew you could use it as an asset against them.”


Alec Stewart wrote:
“I’m not here to protect KP and I’m not here to nail any England players. But I stand by the account of my conversation with this fella at the Oval in 2012, which is in KP’s book, and I’m not in the habit of making up stories like that.

“I passed on the names I was told to the England hierarchy and left them to deal with it. I felt they deserved to be made aware of it.”

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And of course KP never said anything about anyone, and socialised with everybody.

A little mischief making from an Australian and a South African? A South African, by the way who disliked KP throughout their junior careers and carried that into the test arena.

I know what I know about him, especially when he first came over to England to play for Cannock and had trials with a number of Midland counties. It's KP first, second and third and nobody else matters.

Oh, and the little story about JT? That came from the 'schoolkid' himself.

I know I will never convince you, toomb, as to what he's like, but falling out with every team he's played for may give you a hint. He seems, for the moment, to be at home with the 'brown hatters'. They are suited to each other.

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And of course KP never said anything about anyone, and socialised with everybody.

A little mischief making from an Australian and a South African? A South African, by the way who disliked KP throughout their junior careers and carried that into the test arena.

I know what I know about him, especially when he first came over to England to play for Cannock and had trials with a number of Midland counties. It's KP first, second and third and nobody else matters.

Oh, and the little story about JT? That came from the 'schoolkid' himself.

I know I will never convince you, toomb, as to what he's like, but falling out with every team he's played for may give you a hint. He seems, for the moment, to be at home with the 'brown hatters'. They are suited to each other.

Anyway.
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If the South African never liked KP, then why back him? And why would Tremlett and Shazhad have said the same? Especially Tremlett who was so successful in that team until injuries took over.

Don't forget that KP has turned down a huge chunk of change to pull out of the IPL to be playing for Surrey for free, aside from a donation to charity. I know he would have wanted it to be known, but it's hardly the actions of someone who only cares for himself.

With Taylor, Pietersen admitted his thoughts on Taylor in his book. Not the story of a dressing tantrum, but that he spoke to Flower about Taylors unsuitability for Test cricket.

I think it's interesting how many of the cricket journalists have been anti-ECB over the last couple of days. Not the wind up merchants who are there to sell papers, but the genuine cricket journalists. The likes of Laurence Booth, Ali Martin, Chris Stocks, Dean Wilson and Elizabeth Ammon

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And of course KP never said anything about anyone, and socialised with everybody.

A little mischief making from an Australian and a South African? A South African, by the way who disliked KP throughout their junior careers and carried that into the test arena.

I know what I know about him, especially when he first came over to England to play for Cannock and had trials with a number of Midland counties. It's KP first, second and third and nobody else matters.

Oh, and the little story about JT? That came from the 'schoolkid' himself.

I know I will never convince you, toomb, as to what he's like, but falling out with every team he's played for may give you a hint. He seems, for the moment, to be at home with the 'brown hatters'. They are suited to each other.

Anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNexLoG ... pp=desktop


If the South African never liked KP, then why back him? And why would Tremlett and Shazhad have said the same? Especially Tremlett who was so successful in that team until injuries took over.

Don't forget that KP has turned down a huge chunk of change to pull out of the IPL to be playing for Surrey for free, aside from a donation to charity. I know he would have wanted it to be known, but it's hardly the actions of someone who only cares for himself.

With Taylor, Pietersen admitted his thoughts on Taylor in his book. Not the story of a dressing tantrum, but that he spoke to Flower about Taylors unsuitability for Test cricket.

I think it's interesting how many of the cricket journalists have been anti-ECB over the last couple of days. Not the wind up merchants who are there to sell papers, but the genuine cricket journalists. The likes of Laurence Booth, Ali Martin, Chris Stocks, Dean Wilson and Elizabeth Ammon



It's a well know fact they disliked each other.

Tremlett and Shazhad? I don't know, but I do know you could fill several volumes with people who have a poor opinion of him, dating back to the first time he came to England to play for Cannock.

Are you saying the Taylor story isn't true?

The ECB have handled it poorly, they should have made it absolutely clear to KP when they sacked him that there was no way back. After all he'd been re-integrated before.

Some ill thought out words from the Chairman elect hasn't helped. Have you seen the transcript of the Graves interview?

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Not sure what this Graves chap was up to, maybe he's just an old buffoon? To basically tell KP to concentrate on County Cricket, and making runs, and he would be considered for Test selection, and then basically have the ECB renage on this, is an absolute disgrace. Actually, it's totally unprofessional, but the ECB have been acting like this for too long. The ECB needs an overhall, and to be shot of the old guard, and their outdated views.

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Not sure what this Graves chap was up to, maybe he's just an old buffoon? To basically tell KP to concentrate on County Cricket, and making runs, and he would be considered for Test selection, and then basically have the ECB renage on this, is an absolute disgrace. Actually, it's totally unprofessional, but the ECB have been acting like this for too long. The ECB needs an overhall, and to be shot of the old guard, and their outdated views.


I remember hearing the interview and thought it was a bit open to be misinterpreted. I'm sure he qualified the fact that there was a possibility for KP to return by saying the final decision was a matter for the selectors. At the time Mr Graves wasn't in a position to promise anything.

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Whether a maverick player ends up enhancing their team, or conflicting with individuals within
it, can depend on the culture set by the coach.
There’s likely to be less conflict if a coach sees the team as a collection of individuals each contributing their own unique talents towards a collective end.
More conflict, if the coach prefers a homogenous group carrying out a structured game plan.


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Whether a maverick player ends up enhancing their team, or conflicting with individuals within
it, can depend on the culture set by the coach.
There’s likely to be less conflict if a coach sees the team as a collection of individuals each contributing their own unique talents towards a collective end.
More conflict, if the coach prefers a homogenous group carrying out a structured game plan.


http://www.sportscoachuk.org/sites/defa ... ericks.pdf



All fine words, and yes that is perhaps how it should be, but KP is something very different.

I agree with Richo.
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I can't let it go, this bloke really annoys me.

So just to sum up, we have a cricketer complaining that after one decent knock he hasn't been picked in the England team.

This is after being dropped for nothing short of crickets version of treason, then writing a book to say what a bunch of w*****s he played with, one of which has now become England supremo.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I can't let it go, this bloke really annoys me.

So just to sum up, we have a cricketer complaining that after one decent knock he hasn't been picked in the England team.

This is after being dropped for nothing short of crickets version of treason, then writing a book to say what a bunch of w*****s he played with, one of which has now become England supremo.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't make it up, only in Pieterson f*****g joker land.


No, he's complaining that Colin Graves opened the door, and told him what he needed to do to be considered for the Test team again. Pietersen has done this. He's also complained about Tom Harrison telling him that he had a future, and then being told he had no future.

If the ECB hadn't opened the door for him, none of this would have happened. If Pietersen had gone to the IPL, and then the CPL, he wouldn't have been mentioned around the England Test team.

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I can't let it go, this bloke really annoys me.

So just to sum up, we have a cricketer complaining that after one decent knock he hasn't been picked in the England team.

This is after being dropped for nothing short of crickets version of treason, then writing a book to say what a bunch of w*****s he played with, one of which has now become England supremo.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't make it up, only in Pieterson f*****g joker land.


No, he's complaining that Colin Graves opened the door, and told him what he needed to do to be considered for the Test team again. Pietersen has done this. He's also complained about Tom Harrison telling him that he had a future, and then being told he had no future.

If the ECB hadn't opened the door for him, none of this would have happened. If Pietersen had gone to the IPL, and then the CPL, he wouldn't have been mentioned around the England Test team.

This mess is all of the ECB's doing



Graves wasn't in a position to open the door to anybody as at the time of the interview he wasn't chairman of the ECB.

Following Graves' initial interview the ECB issued a statement to the effect that nothing had changed concerning KP.

I see KP is now off to the IPL, and then to the West Indies. Surrey have served their purpose, it failed, so now he's chasing the white ball around the World again.

How can you trash nearly every player you played with, fall out with the current supremo, fall out with the captain that bought you back into the team, and then expect them to welcome you back with open arms, not to mention falling out with every team you've ever played for.

ECB have not handled it well, but the mess is all KP's doing.

If you get a chance listen to David Gower's interview for Sky.

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Graves is starting this week. He's in a position from tomorrow to make those assurances.

And KP is fulfilling contracts signed before the door was opened, back when as far as he was concerned, his future with the England team was over.

Like last year when we were in the exact same situation, I would like KP to be available for selection but I am far more pissed off at the shambles of an organisation that the ECB is. It's an absolute joke, this past week has been nothing short of a complete and utter embarrassment

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I can't let it go, this bloke really annoys me.

So just to sum up, we have a cricketer complaining that after one decent knock he hasn't been picked in the England team.

This is after being dropped for nothing short of crickets version of treason, then writing a book to say what a bunch of w*****s he played with, one of which has now become England supremo.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't make it up, only in Pieterson f*****g joker land.


Yes, but if you had to bet your life on someone getting a 50, what about KP? :wink:

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I can't let it go, this bloke really annoys me.

So just to sum up, we have a cricketer complaining that after one decent knock he hasn't been picked in the England team.

This is after being dropped for nothing short of crickets version of treason, then writing a book to say what a bunch of w*****s he played with, one of which has now become England supremo.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't make it up, only in Pieterson f*****g joker land.


Yes, but if you had to bet your life on someone getting a 50, what about KP? :wink:


Not the point Embers, a team can only take so much. There are loads of 'characters' in dressing rooms, but they either get sorted or know how far to go, this bloke is something different.

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Graves is starting this week. He's in a position from tomorrow to make those assurances.

And KP is fulfilling contracts signed before the door was opened, back when as far as he was concerned, his future with the England team was over.

Like last year when we were in the exact same situation, I would like KP to be available for selection but I am far more pissed off at the shambles of an organisation that the ECB is. It's an absolute joke, this past week has been nothing short of a complete and utter embarrassment


He won't though, will he?

The ECB, like many sporting organisations, such as the FA, may or may not be considered 'a shambles', 'an absolute joke' or 'an embarrassment', and fair to say they may not have handled this situation very well, but they didn't cause the problem, KP did.

How can he expect to be welcomed back when he openly criticised his own team mates and has such a low opinion of county cricketers.

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I can't let it go, this bloke really annoys me.

So just to sum up, we have a cricketer complaining that after one decent knock he hasn't been picked in the England team.

This is after being dropped for nothing short of crickets version of treason, then writing a book to say what a bunch of w*****s he played with, one of which has now become England supremo.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't make it up, only in Pieterson f*****g joker land.


Yes, but if you had to bet your life on someone getting a 50, what about KP? :wink:


Not the point Embers, a team can only take so much. There are loads of 'characters' in dressing rooms, but they either get sorted or know how far to go, this bloke is something different.


He's a bloody South African, what do you expect! Still, on 44 n.o, he'd come down the pitch to plonk it in the stands, and get that 50 :wink:

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Yes, but if you had to bet your life on someone getting a 50, what about KP? :wink:


Not the point Embers, a team can only take so much. There are loads of 'characters' in dressing rooms, but they either get sorted or know how far to go, this bloke is something different.


He's a bloody South African, what do you expect! Still, on 44 n.o, he'd come down the pitch to plonk it in the stands, and get that 50 :wink:


Or get caught at long on when the team needed him to stay in.

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Not the point Embers, a team can only take so much. There are loads of 'characters' in dressing rooms, but they either get sorted or know how far to go, this bloke is something different.


He's a bloody South African, what do you expect! Still, on 44 n.o, he'd come down the pitch to plonk it in the stands, and get that 50 :wink:


Or get caught at long on when the team needed him to stay in.


Guaranteed to happen. But he'd get the blame for holing out on 44, when none of the other batsmen reached 20

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Or get caught at long on when the team needed him to stay in.


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Guaranteed to happen. But he'd get the blame for holing out on 44, when none of the other batsmen reached 20


So he, or anybody should. When you're in make it count, make up for all those days it didn't work out, which in fairness he did in his last innings. 8)

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