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SpaceMonkey wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/john-redwood-brexit_uk_5a08cb50e4b0e37d2f3833c4

Tells us one thing, tells his rich friends another.



Without opening the link would that be John Redwood, as with John Dyson in it for their own ends.

Deregulate, remove workers rights, hire and fire on a whim, remove all corporation tax.

Further development of an in house us and them culture. Typical Tories.

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SpaceMonkey wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/john-redwood-brexit_uk_5a08cb50e4b0e37d2f3833c4

Tells us one thing, tells his rich friends another.



Without opening the link would that be John Redwood, as with John Dyson in it for their own ends.

Deregulate, remove workers rights, hire and fire on a whim, remove all corporation tax.

Further development of an in house us and them culture. Typical Tories.


Again you make a statement about something you have an instant before admitted you haven't read. You really are a true Corbynite

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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/no ... CMP=twt_gu

A small look into our future. No backing from the EU nations and then having to kowtow to India for fear we piss them off and they won't trade with us.


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SpaceMonkey wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/john-redwood-brexit_uk_5a08cb50e4b0e37d2f3833c4

Tells us one thing, tells his rich friends another.



Without opening the link would that be John Redwood, as with John Dyson in it for their own ends.

Deregulate, remove workers rights, hire and fire on a whim, remove all corporation tax.

Further development of an in house us and them culture. Typical Tories.



It's James, KK....:-)

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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/nov/20/no-british-judge-on-world-court-for-first-time-in-its-71-year-history?CMP=twt_gu

A small look into our future. No backing from the EU nations and then having to kowtow to India for fear we piss them off and they won't trade with us.


So its not politics then ..its not the EU are 'punishing us'...it is simply that judges from Brazil Lebanon and Somalia (!) are actually just 'better' ...ok.

as for kowtowing to India I woudl love the government to impose a corporate tax on the transfer of technical staff/ knowledge to Indiia- it may be too late.

You really take pleasure in knocking everything don't you, bet a party with you and KK would be an absolute blast.


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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/nov/20/no-british-judge-on-world-court-for-first-time-in-its-71-year-history?CMP=twt_gu

A small look into our future. No backing from the EU nations and then having to kowtow to India for fear we piss them off and they won't trade with us.


So its not politics then ..its not the EU are 'punishing us'...it is simply that judges from Brazil Lebanon and Somalia (!) are actually just 'better' ...ok.

as for kowtowing to India I woudl love the government to impose a corporate tax on the transfer of technical staff/ knowledge to Indiia- it may be too late.

You really take pleasure in knocking everything don't you, bet a party with you and KK would be an absolute blast.


Nope. Brexit and the continued backing for austerity is going to ruin this country for the next 50 years. I don't take pleasure in that. I have to live here too you know. Lets hope none of us get ill in the next decade, eh?

I DO take pleasure in pointing it out to people who keep supporting both, despite the obvious facts that are slapping you all in the face. It's so overwhelming I just don't understand how certain people can't see that. Where are the counter arguments? other than just screaming jingoistic bullshit.


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SpaceMonkey wrote:
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SpaceMonkey wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/nov/20/no-british-judge-on-world-court-for-first-time-in-its-71-year-history?CMP=twt_gu

A small look into our future. No backing from the EU nations and then having to kowtow to India for fear we piss them off and they won't trade with us.


So its not politics then ..its not the EU are 'punishing us'...it is simply that judges from Brazil Lebanon and Somalia (!) are actually just 'better' ...ok.

as for kowtowing to India I woudl love the government to impose a corporate tax on the transfer of technical staff/ knowledge to Indiia- it may be too late.

You really take pleasure in knocking everything don't you, bet a party with you and KK would be an absolute blast.


Nope. Brexit and the continued backing for austerity is going to ruin this country for the next 50 years. I don't take pleasure in that. I have to live here too you know. Lets hope none of us get ill in the next decade, eh?

I DO take pleasure in pointing it out to people who keep supporting both, despite the obvious facts that are slapping you all in the face. It's so overwhelming I just don't understand how certain people can't see that. Where are the counter arguments? other than just screaming jingoistic bullshit.


Please read more widely. No one said it will be easy. However, the majority of the country wanted it to happen and a growing number of business leaders are prepared to see opportunities rather than listen to constant drivel from Chicken Little's. "The sky's falling, the sky's falling" hardly helps now does it ?

The Remoaners have made much about the loss of EU jobs in the City as two major Euro-Quangos move out. They thought they would stay ?

The Bank's and other Institutions have all loudly shouted about how they "MAY" relocate. Mmmm I wonder why they did that ? I wonder why they simply haven't left ? Well I suppose they could just be playing a game called politics, manoeuvring themselves into a position to collect concessions when we are in a position AFTER WE LEAVE, to negotiate with them on a playing field without interference, a field of both sides choosing, and one free from the hand of the Fourth Reich.

The outcome of such negotiations ? I don't know. And neither do you. One thing I do know, is that before we became a Nation dictated to about our own borders by people from Luxembourg and San Marino, we were a nation of traders, bankers, industrialists and politicians who revelled in adversity an had the balls to grab what was best for our people while at the same time answering the call to protect Europe's freedoms as Europe capitulated, corroborated or concerted with tyrants.

Bah Humbug

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There is a realisation starting to take hold that the OUT politicians were saying one thing while looking to do another.

Even the BBC cant contain what will spill out over the next twelve months.

Go and whistle becomes ten billion becomes twenty billion becomes forty billion, any more offers.

Pass the popcorn.

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There is a realisation starting to take hold that the OUT politicians were saying one thing while looking to do another.

Even the BBC cant contain what will spill out over the next twelve months.

Go and whistle becomes ten billion becomes twenty billion becomes forty billion, any more offers.

Pass the popcorn.


OUT politicians like Johnson and Gove weren't looking to do anything but shore up their standings with the Tory hardcore media and members so they would be perfectly placed for the leadership later down the line once the Daily Mail et al had battered Cameron enough for successfully campaigning to remain (who had already indicated he felt two terms as PM would be enough for him).

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The victorious parties show their elation the morning after the referendum.

Quite ironic the "take control" slogan when taking control of this situation was the last thing they ever wanted to do.

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knocker knowles wrote:
There is a realisation starting to take hold that the OUT politicians were saying one thing while looking to do another.

Even the BBC cant contain what will spill out over the next twelve months.

Go and whistle becomes ten billion becomes twenty billion becomes forty billion, any more offers.

Pass the popcorn.


OUT politicians like Johnson and Gove weren't looking to do anything but shore up their standings with the Tory hardcore media and members so they would be perfectly placed for the leadership later down the line once the Daily Mail et al had battered Cameron enough for successfully campaigning to remain (who had already indicated he felt two terms as PM would be enough for him).

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The victorious parties show their elation the morning after the referendum.

Quite ironic the "take control" slogan when taking control of this situation was the last thing they ever wanted to do.



I think you have a fair point with those two self-serving muppets

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Just looking at the Labour party position on Brexit, it looks pretty similar to the Swiss model.

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Just looking at the Labour party position on Brexit, it looks pretty similar to the Swiss model.


Swiss cheese. Full of holes.

And I'll give you a passing likeness to Swiss clocks. Ideas from cloud cuckoo land. And not forgetting the Swiss Guard. Cross-dresssing mercenaries who would serve anyone for money.

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And as we're on a Swiss Roll, Labour are like the Swiss ruled by Gnomes with their best export other people's money and a chocolate so bizarre it claims to be made from mythical triangular beasts with packaging much larger and relevant in the seventies where it had more substance for less money.

Yep......All in all, a lot like Corbyn's New Marxists ( Ooopps New Labour)

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And as we're on a Swiss Roll, Labour are like the Swiss ruled by Gnomes with their best export other people's money and a chocolate so bizarre it claims to be made from mythical triangular beasts with packaging much larger and relevant in the seventies where it had more substance for less money.

Yep......All in all, a lot like Corbyn's New Marxists ( Ooopps New Labour)


Strange post, where did you develop this theory.

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So any comments on the fact we've caved to EU demands on the divorce bill? I thought Davis and Johnson had said no chance and that we were in the driving seat? :roll:


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So any comments on the fact we've caved to EU demands on the divorce bill? I thought Davis and Johnson had said no chance and that we were in the driving seat? :roll:


The reality still hasn't resonated with the majority of the British public.

With the major kicking still to arrive because the TRADE DEAL talks will be far more difficult.

What many thought would be a walk in the park is more likely to be a frozen ice rink.

Expect a Norway type of deal not this promised special relationship.

The UK to many nations is insignificant...That has to sink in.

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Mrs May's cabinet is still full of Cameron supporting remainers. Folk who enjoyed taking it up the bum from Europe and are determined to undermine anyone who they consider to be inferior-beings, and not capable of standing on there own two feet without being told what to do by Germans while held up by "grey" men from Luxembourg.

I expected nothing less.

At present, you have politicians from all sides telling markets how they will operate. From Corbyn to May, the majority have never had a proper job in their life.

Anyone who thinks German Industry will not insist on trading with one of it's biggest customers is insane. Any German political party or coalition who try to stop that trade, will be history.

Trade, when all the onion layers are peeled off is about money. Money is like water and will always find it's own level. Money brought down the Soviet Union, and money will dictate who trades with whom in a post Brexit world.

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Mrs May's cabinet is still full of Cameron supporting remainers. Folk who enjoyed taking it up the bum from Europe and are determined to undermine anyone who they consider to be inferior-beings, and not capable of standing on there own two feet without being told what to do by Germans while held up by "grey" men from Luxembourg.

I expected nothing less.

At present, you have politicians from all sides telling markets how they will operate. From Corbyn to May, the majority have never had a proper job in their life.

Anyone who thinks German Industry will not insist on trading with one of it's biggest customers is insane. Any German political party or coalition who try to stop that trade, will be history.

Trade, when all the onion layers are peeled off is about money. Money is like water and will always find it's own level. Money brought down the Soviet Union, and money will dictate who trades with whom in a post Brexit world.


Let's think this over: Firstly, what is the wealth of the EU and what is the wealth of the UK? And what is the wealth of the USA and what is the wealth of the UK? Or what is the wealth of China and what is the wealth of the UK?

Given "money talks", how do you expect those trade deal negotiations turn out for the poorer nation in each of those talks? The poorer nation gets the better deal? The poorer nation gets an equal deal? Or the poorer nation gets the shittier end of the deal.

As they say, money talks and bullshit walks.

Phase 1 of bullshit removal is seemingly now being commenced with the UK, with its GDP of less than 3 trillion dollars, actually paying up all its obligations before it even gets to sit at the negotiating table for trade talks with the 17 trillion dollar economy of the EU.

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It shows how bad things have got when, if I hear right, we've had to agree to Prince Harry marrying the German Chancellor now. 8)

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Mrs May's cabinet is still full of Cameron supporting remainers. Folk who enjoyed taking it up the bum from Europe and are determined to undermine anyone who they consider to be inferior-beings, and not capable of standing on there own two feet without being told what to do by Germans while held up by "grey" men from Luxembourg.

I expected nothing less.

At present, you have politicians from all sides telling markets how they will operate. From Corbyn to May, the majority have never had a proper job in their life.

Anyone who thinks German Industry will not insist on trading with one of it's biggest customers is insane. Any German political party or coalition who try to stop that trade, will be history.

Trade, when all the onion layers are peeled off is about money. Money is like water and will always find it's own level. Money brought down the Soviet Union, and money will dictate who trades with whom in a post Brexit world.


Let's think this over: Firstly, what is the wealth of the EU and what is the wealth of the UK? And what is the wealth of the USA and what is the wealth of the UK? Or what is the wealth of China and what is the wealth of the UK?

Given "money talks", how do you expect those trade deal negotiations turn out for the poorer nation in each of those talks? The poorer nation gets the better deal? The poorer nation gets an equal deal? Or the poorer nation gets the shittier end of the deal.

As they say, money talks and bullshit walks.

Phase 1 of bullshit removal is seemingly now being commenced with the UK, with its GDP of less than 3 trillion dollars, actually paying up all its obligations before it even gets to sit at the negotiating table for trade talks with the 17 trillion dollar economy of the EU.


The EU is all ready splintering on this issue. Individual nations making very firm noises about trade with Britain after the date. The EU as a block will implode if it tries to prevent it's member states from trading with a huge trading Nation.

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Mrs May's cabinet is still full of Cameron supporting remainers. Folk who enjoyed taking it up the bum from Europe and are determined to undermine anyone who they consider to be inferior-beings, and not capable of standing on there own two feet without being told what to do by Germans while held up by "grey" men from Luxembourg.

I expected nothing less.

At present, you have politicians from all sides telling markets how they will operate. From Corbyn to May, the majority have never had a proper job in their life.

Anyone who thinks German Industry will not insist on trading with one of it's biggest customers is insane. Any German political party or coalition who try to stop that trade, will be history.

Trade, when all the onion layers are peeled off is about money. Money is like water and will always find it's own level. Money brought down the Soviet Union, and money will dictate who trades with whom in a post Brexit world.


Let's think this over: Firstly, what is the wealth of the EU and what is the wealth of the UK? And what is the wealth of the USA and what is the wealth of the UK? Or what is the wealth of China and what is the wealth of the UK?

Given "money talks", how do you expect those trade deal negotiations turn out for the poorer nation in each of those talks? The poorer nation gets the better deal? The poorer nation gets an equal deal? Or the poorer nation gets the shittier end of the deal.

As they say, money talks and bullshit walks.

Phase 1 of bullshit removal is seemingly now being commenced with the UK, with its GDP of less than 3 trillion dollars, actually paying up all its obligations before it even gets to sit at the negotiating table for trade talks with the 17 trillion dollar economy of the EU.


The EU is all ready splintering on this issue. Individual nations making very firm noises about trade with Britain after the date. The EU as a block will implode if it tries to prevent it's member states from trading with a huge trading Nation.


There's never been any question of EU nations being prevented from trading with the UK.

Even under a "no-deal" scenario, every EU nation would be able to trade with the UK under WTO rules from day 1 of the UK becoming what is known as a "third country".

As it is, it seems both sides are committed to achieving a trade deal between them prior to this. This means that no EU states can negotiate their own deal with the UK: any deal will be a deal between the UK and the EU as an entity, with each nation no doubt pushing its own interests during talks.

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For those of you who enjoy that type of thing, what exactly are you trying to achieve with constant sniping and negativity ?

Do you wish for a second referendum and then perhaps a third or more until the majority swings your way ?

Does it make you sleep better to sit back and say ' I told you so ? ".

Last time I looked we are leaving the EU. Crying over spilt milk never helped anyone and sitting back and doing nothing to make a success of the venture, which is coming no matter how many times you stamp your little feet, will only end in tears for all sides.

Remainers often remind me of the gorky, poor soul picked last for playground soccer. Reluctantly standing on the fringe of the game, contributing nothing positive and never trying to improve the situation, just falling back on snide sarcasm and petulance.

By being weak and not taking the opportunity for what it is, this Government is making a right pig's ear of the process. Corbyn, who I bet you my house on it, voted leave, just sits back and watches the infighting. A truly sad state of affairs in a momentous period of our history.

The EU will be brought to the table by business. Individual nations with in it, are well aware of the collective, but by making noises against German petulance they shake the pack of cards and bring negotiations to the point of actual negotiations .

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It beats me why nations wouldn't want to trade with each other under the best possible reciprocal terms. Any other objective would be a dereliction of duty to their peoples. This is why at the eleventh hour we should all accept a deal will be done. Firstly, because the EU need our 40 billion notes. Secondly, they won't get but a tiny fraction of the payment if the terms aren't conducive to fairness and good business. I'll wager if the UK isn't going to benefit from a suitable trade arrangement in the end then Jean Claude Drunker and Michel Barmyarmier will be told to faire chier, and those pair will be strung up by their couilles by the Allemagnes.
It is the Germans who run Europe. It is the Conservatives who run the UK. All will end well for Leavers and Remoaners. Enjoy your freedom and living in a self-governing nation trading will the whole world, living under their own laws, controlling our own borders.
Be aware that in a few short years the EU will have a President of Europe elected by the unelected elite whom not a single inhabitant in the EU 27 could ever vote out. At least we will still be able to kick out our government at the ballot box. That in itself is worth paying for.

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For those of you who enjoy that type of thing, what exactly are you trying to achieve with constant sniping and negativity ?

Do you wish for a second referendum and then perhaps a third or more until the majority swings your way ?

Does it make you sleep better to sit back and say ' I told you so ? ".

Last time I looked we are leaving the EU. Crying over spilt milk never helped anyone and sitting back and doing nothing to make a success of the venture, which is coming no matter how many times you stamp your little feet, will only end in tears for all sides.

Remainers often remind me of the gorky, poor soul picked last for playground soccer. Reluctantly standing on the fringe of the game, contributing nothing positive and never trying to improve the situation, just falling back on snide sarcasm and petulance.

By being weak and not taking the opportunity for what it is, this Government is making a right pig's ear of the process. Corbyn, who I bet you my house on it, voted leave, just sits back and watches the infighting. A truly sad state of affairs in a momentous period of our history.

The EU will be brought to the table by business. Individual nations with in it, are well aware of the collective, but by making noises against German petulance they shake the pack of cards and bring negotiations to the point of actual negotiations .


You make some very good points as usual. But, I wonder if the government really is making a pig's ear of it? Certainly, listening to the moaning minnies in the press, BBC, and House of Commons they would like you to believe it. Falling off a cliff edge, crashing out, millions of jobs will be lost, a worthless pound, the EU will prosper whilst the UK will crash and burn, everybody eating from food banks, Stock Market will crash. We have heard it all.

Patently, we are fighting a bloody awkward foe to get a good deal. 27 nations versus the little old UK. Goliath versus David. But, the UK is nobody's pushover. Our history is littered with overcoming overwhelming odds. So much so that we are still the nation the migrants want to get to. They are not fools. Neither is our political class. We ain't gonna be dictated to. We will get a good deal. We are the UK. One of the proudest nations on earth. We do not want to be a part of an unelected EU superstate. We are more global than that.
God forbid, I would rather have the Labour Party running our country than wankers like Verhofstadt, Junker, Barnier, etc. At least if the party in government makes a pig's ear of their term we can chuck em out by voting. You can't say that with the people running the EU. You don't vote them in. You can't vote em out. Who wants to belong to a setup like that?
We will get a good deal. We won't crash and burn. I want us to succeed. It is plain that on here there are a few who want us to fail just to say " I told you so" on a fans' forum. Strange.

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Brexit and all that it is was never about supposed I told you so's. for me it was an opportunity for the nation to get politically engaged.

And to be engaged in ways that are not normal for the average UK citizen.

I still think its a massive showcase of the reality of where the UK is and has been for the past half century or more.

I see Europe and the continental politicians as people who will and are giving a balanced view to events.
Something the UK media, be that BBC or newsprint cant control, its genie out the bottle time.

Its showing up over time, David Cameron for throwing the future of the country up in the air for political gain.

Its highlighting the continued lies of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove who were looking to promote themselves through their right wing bullshit.
Fed to the nation through the usual news streams.

Now as this pans out over the next twelve months its an opportunity for the nations citizens to see Tories for what they are .
Self serving people, it it for their own ends without giving real thought to the perils they advance on the majority.

I honestly cant think of any time in history when a Tory politician did anything to benefit the electorate, its self, self, self.

Just watch these creatures as Europe holds them accountable for their actions.

If the UK is to move forward it has to learn the hard way to embrace Europe and throw away the teachings of the BBC, Daily Mail and Sun right wing ramblings.

Will the nation wake up as events unfold, thats the intriguing part.

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I really love the way that you know better than what appears to be the majority of the citizens of the UK Knocker. It is pretty much possible to change all the right wing names and references you make to left wing ones and the post would make equal sense. Perhaps treating the electorate with contempt is what has led to where we are.

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Brexit and all that it is was never about supposed I told you so's. for me it was an opportunity for the nation to get politically engaged.

And to be engaged in ways that are not normal for the average UK citizen.

I still think its a massive showcase of the reality of where the UK is and has been for the past half century or more.

I see Europe and the continental politicians as people who will and are giving a balanced view to events.
Something the UK media, be that BBC or newsprint cant control, its genie out the bottle time.

Its showing up over time, David Cameron for throwing the future of the country up in the air for political gain.

Its highlighting the continued lies of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove who were looking to promote themselves through their right wing bullshit.
Fed to the nation through the usual news streams.

Now as this pans out over the next twelve months its an opportunity for the nations citizens to see Tories for what they are .
Self serving people, it it for their own ends without giving real thought to the perils they advance on the majority.

I honestly cant think of any time in history when a Tory politician did anything to benefit the electorate, its self, self, self.

Just watch these creatures as Europe holds them accountable for their actions.

If the UK is to move forward it has to learn the hard way to embrace Europe and throw away the teachings of the BBC, Daily Mail and Sun right wing ramblings.

Will the nation wake up as events unfold, thats the intriguing part.


Couldn't agree less.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Brexit and all that it is was never about supposed I told you so's. for me it was an opportunity for the nation to get politically engaged.

And to be engaged in ways that are not normal for the average UK citizen.

I still think its a massive showcase of the reality of where the UK is and has been for the past half century or more.

I see Europe and the continental politicians as people who will and are giving a balanced view to events.
Something the UK media, be that BBC or newsprint cant control, its genie out the bottle time.

Its showing up over time, David Cameron for throwing the future of the country up in the air for political gain.

Its highlighting the continued lies of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove who were looking to promote themselves through their right wing bullshit.
Fed to the nation through the usual news streams.

Now as this pans out over the next twelve months its an opportunity for the nations citizens to see Tories for what they are .
Self serving people, it it for their own ends without giving real thought to the perils they advance on the majority.

I honestly cant think of any time in history when a Tory politician did anything to benefit the electorate, its self, self, self.

Just watch these creatures as Europe holds them accountable for their actions.

If the UK is to move forward it has to learn the hard way to embrace Europe and throw away the teachings of the BBC, Daily Mail and Sun right wing ramblings.

Will the nation wake up as events unfold, thats the intriguing part.


Embracing Europe is not the same as embracing the EU parliament, its commission, its MEPs. Far far from it. I take it you're ok with being governed and controlled by UNELECTED Commission bureucrats then? Do as they say with absolutely no recourse to make them accountable? If you're happy with that then it is mystifying why you moan about our elected politicians.
I love Europe as a host of individual nation states. I have visited and enjoyed many of them. France is beautiful, ditto Switzerland, Austria, Italy, many parts of Germany, Greece, Spain, Portugal et al. But, Italy is being screwed up week by week. The French have had enough. Look at Germany; half the country is rebelling against Mutti Merkel and they have the best of what the EU can offer.

Maybe you'd like to live in one of the countries whose infrastructures are bring completely wrecked by your beloved UNELECTED bureaucrats? Greece, Portugal, Spain for instance. Riots, extreme poverty, rampant unemployment. The EU don't give a damn, watching these countries descend into unadulterated chaos. I bet you wouldn't swap. There are no shortage of countries that would appear to satiate your Left-Wing yearnings. Thankfully, the UK isn't one of them.

Having family and friends scattered throughout most of the above-mentioned countries I can say for certain they have forgotten more about the EU Political class than you nor I will ever learn. They hate them with a passion and long for the day their countries of residency do what the UK has done. Open borders of Europe are still open for you. Long live Citizen Smith eh?

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I think Charles de Gaulle had it spot on during the fifties and sixties, the English would never embrace the four guiding pillars of European cooperation.

There were massive opportunities for UK companies to work alongside German industrial giants during the past half century.
In ever increasing markets the opportunities for industrial growth were excellent.

So why did the UK withdraw or not look to grow with cooperation, because the UK upper management was rank and remains rank.

Its jobs for the boys, upper class boys with little thought given to meritocracy.

The Germans would have taken over the boardrooms, cant have that old chap, they would have super rewarded the English working class.

Fuck that for a game of soldiers, lets with our right wing media keep them firmly in their place.

The CLASS STRUCTURE killed Englands opportunities and still does so.

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