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]Estonia calls for deployment of US troops, Patriot missiles.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defenc ... -missiles/

Dangerous times.[/quote]

Yes. Damn those Estonians. How dare they try and defend themselves.[/quote]


Yes. Damn those Cubans. How dare they try and defend themselves. Nikita Khrushchev Oct 1962.[/quote]

I think you may find Cuba was allied to our enemies, while Estonia is allied to us. However, if your context is Corbyn's friends and enemies? I can see your point.[/quote]

I think you are missing the key point on purpose.

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 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 8:50 pm 
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Perfectly reasonable front page from a paper not worried at all. AT. ALL.


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 Post Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 12:12 am 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu ... 75836.html

EU pass a law that removes one of the main reasons people claimed to have voted for Brexit for.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44313941

One of the lead Brexiters applies for French residency. Hilarious.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44313941

One of the lead Brexiters applies for French residency. Hilarious.


Hasnt applied for French Citizenship though, A nice place to live however...must be all the EU subsidies :)
People voted out of the EU not Europe the continent , but I do find it somehwhat hypercritical tbh as well.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-brexit-uk-labour-laws-migrant-workers-a8375836.html

EU pass a law that removes one of the main reasons people claimed to have voted for Brexit for.


Forced through by the French-to garner favour with their workers, opposed by the Poles to garner favour with theirs ...says it all about the EU.

Anyway too little too late.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-brexit-uk-labour-laws-migrant-workers-a8375836.html

EU pass a law that removes one of the main reasons people claimed to have voted for Brexit for.


Forced through by the French-to garner favour with their workers, opposed by the Poles to garner favour with theirs ...says it all about the EU.

Anyway too little too late.


A sign that the so called fundamentals of European unity are collapsing as we speak

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https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1004769364925714432

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-meeting

Still spinning Brexit as good for the country? Even more hilarious given the stick some posters here have given 'Comrade' Corbyn. Useful idiots.


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SpaceMonkey wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/09/arron-banks-russia-brexit-meeting

Still spinning Brexit as good for the country? Even more hilarious given the stick some posters here have given 'Comrade' Corbyn. Useful idiots.


The type of " half assed" Brexit proposed by both May and now the teacherous tramp, is of course a disaster.

Edited to add, Moscow are the masters of disinformation. Documents seen by rabid pro European Guardian hacks ? About as trust worthy as Abbott's maths

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I'm in Hong Kong as we speak. One of the girls who worked for me was in the same restaurant last night. I went across to say hello and was introduced to her auntie, Carry Lam the Beijing appointed, chief executive . Hope the Guardian is on the ball. They can write " Rabid Brexit supporting fool seen with Chinese Communists according to reports seen by Guardian reporters" it would carry as much weight as the other shit they come up with.

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We are entering the interesting phase now where this hopeless government will fall apart at the seams.

This second half of the year requires close scrutiny.

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I think that any Government would struggle with the multiple, nooks and crannies maze that is Brexit. The pictures and realities of leaving have slowly become clearer in the last two years and people may have voted differently had they been as aware then as they are now, two years on. The blatant blocking attempts by the Lords, some MP's and the toerags Blair and Clegg are a disgrace to democracy. I think that there will be a General Election in October, things cannot remain as they are in the Tory party and I feel Labour is not a backing party of Brexit and would fudge their way around all obstacles without really showing their true hand, this despite a lot of their constituencies having voted to Leave. Which ever way you look at it, it is a monumental shambles that has no ideal solutions to please everyone and it will be a question of taking the least-worst option, which will still leave the country divided.

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And yet they have overturned the underhand subversive tactics of the Lord's, with help from those in the Labour party who realise the importance of being able to deal with the EU ...it's a pity some of her own party dont share those convictions.


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I can only see open warfare very soon on the Tory benches as the remainers reject the Governments compromise. Grieve says government amendment is unacceptable because the government has made it unamendable which means they could theoretically turn it into a confidence vote. Grieve says it was inexplicably changed at last minute, and was not agreed by him.

Meanwhile Keir Starmer is moving Labour as required into a solid position while trying the represent the 100% not the 52%.

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I can only see open warfare very soon on the Tory benches as the remainers reject the Governments compromise. Grieve says government amendment is unacceptable because the government has made it unamendable which means they could theoretically turn it into a confidence vote. Grieve says it was inexplicably changed at last minute, and was not agreed by him.

Meanwhile Keir Starmer is moving Labour as required into a solid position while trying the represent the 100% not the 52%.

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You mean trying to be all things to all people. That will require as much fudging and lead to as much division as is going on now. Labour will not be able to solve the issues just like the Tories can't. Many of the things Labour say they will do rely on reaching agreement with the EU which is not a given by any means. Where it will be easier to reach agreement with the EU is in the areas where we effectively stay in the EU in all but name so although Labour say they will respect the vote, they will not necessarily respect what many people who voted really meant. We could have another referendum along the lines of "given what you know now do you still think we should leave?" but of course the fear is that the people will still not vote "the right way" and really, democracy should be limited to giving the vote to those who know best.

Don't keep playing the party political game with this we know that Corbyn is really an anti european and, just like with the Tories, personal opportunism will come ahead of what is genuinely best for the country and its people when it matters.

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Corbyn will always be against any collection of democracies.

He would join us with Cuba and Venezuela so we could all bleed together to achieve socialist nirvana.

Just a shame about the smallpox.

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The Government trying to take us out of the EU is fighting resistance on three fronts, inside their own party against the remainers, against the Opposition parties (especially the SNP).. and finally against the EU. How on earth can you win all those battles..?? The answer is that you cannot and a compromise will be made that is weak. Or, another referendum, asking as Left Back commented earlier, "Do you still want to leave knowing now what you did not two years ago?"....Interesting and also worrying times.

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The Government trying to take us out of the EU is fighting resistance on three fronts, inside their own party against the remainers, against the Opposition parties (especially the SNP).. and finally against the EU. How on earth can you win all those battles..?? The answer is that you cannot and a compromise will be made that is weak. Or, another referendum, asking as Left Back commented earlier, "Do you still want to leave knowing now what you did not two years ago?"....Interesting and also worrying times.


I could describe how I feel about the selfish, self-serving folk who call themselves democrats as they blatantly ignore the will of the people. But this is a family forum and Lefty is sensitive.

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I could describe how I feel about the selfish, self-serving folk who call themselves democrats as they blatantly ignore the will of the people. But this is a family forum and Lefty is sensitive.


Someone has to have a bit of soul.

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I could describe how I feel about the selfish, self-serving folk who call themselves democrats as they blatantly ignore the will of the people. But this is a family forum and Lefty is sensitive.


Someone has to have a bit of soul.



Arrrrrrrr

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I think Dominic Grieve had been to the Lords last week before the amendment was spoken about in the Commons back rooms.
With the likelyhood that this motion could rear its head again next week, rejected by the Lords and another vote in the Commons.

Under pressure is May, her times running out.

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I could describe how I feel about the selfish, self-serving folk who call themselves democrats as they blatantly ignore the will of the people. But this is a family forum and Lefty is sensitive.


Someone has to have a bit of soul.



Arrrrrrrr



I also have a bit of soul...….

Pity it's my R-Soul...…:-)

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I think Dominic Grieve had been to the Lords last week before the amendment was spoken about in the Commons back rooms.
With the likelyhood that this motion could rear its head again next week, rejected by the Lords and another vote in the Commons.

Under pressure is May, her times running out.


A couple of quotes from his own constiuency web page :

"What is clear to me, however, is that the decision of the electorate in the Referendum must be respected and that I should support a reasoned process to give effect to it"

"As someone who has always advocated a close relationship between the UK and the European Union, I accept the result of the 2016 Referendum. I therefore strongly support the Prime Minister’s determination to secure a negotiated arrangement for leaving the EU and for forging a new trading relationship for the future, providing certainty for trade and business whilst giving us control of migration and releasing us from the direct effect of EU Law"


Doesn't really appesr to be backing thoese statements up with his actions now does he?

Hiding behind the phrase "parlimentary sovereignty of however he likes to phrase it " ...yeah right we all know what he wants.


I'd like to give a considered opinion about Mr Grieve if I may..."Fuck him".


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Beaten back twice now...and he wouldn't even vote for his own amendment.
Let's see what those turncoats in the other house say now shall we...they must realise their time is almost up now.
Time for a major rethink on the way the lord's works.


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Beaten back twice now...and he wouldn't even vote for his own amendment.
Let's see what those turncoats in the other house say now shall we...they must realise their time is almost up now.
Time for a major rethink on the way the lord's works.



So your happy that when this government comes back with NO DEAL parliament then has NO SAY on what happens next?

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Beaten back twice now...and he wouldn't even vote for his own amendment.
Let's see what those turncoats in the other house say now shall we...they must realise their time is almost up now.
Time for a major rethink on the way the lord's works.



So your happy that when this government comes back with NO DEAL parliament then has NO SAY on what happens next?


How quickly we have forgotten the referendum.

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Whether it will turn out to be right or wrong, the PEOPLE voted, not the Lords or the MP's as a group, so just get on and fulfil the wish of the majority who voted in a so called democracy.

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