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What I remember of Gordon's great gift was that it enabled the NHS to set up lots of committees and quangos with jobs for the boys and lots of monitoring and extra admin to complete but most of all the great man allowed me to get a decent pay rise. To my eternal shame I did not say keep it to use for the patients. Not very much of it went directly to them in your standard district hospitals after the staff pay rises, the doctors new contracts, exciting research programmes and the cool research projects in highly specialised hospitals together with a massive white elephant of a new IT system.

Sure, I trust that Jeremy's people will not waste money like the Tories.

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Tories spent £120m trying to prove they were right to take disabled people’s benefits last year - and lost 70% of the time.

But then, can you really put a price on a chance to kick the poor and disabled.

7,990 dead within 6 months of being rejected for PIP. 400+ excess winter deaths per month. 120,000+ deaths linked to Austerity.
At least 598 rough sleeper deaths last year. 90 deaths a month following 'work capability' assessments.

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Tories spent £120m trying to prove they were right to take disabled people’s benefits last year - and lost 70% of the time.

But then, can you really put a price on a chance to kick the poor and disabled.


Was it the Tories or was it the State? You could have said £200m if you had picked this source but on reading further that is over 5 years. It says £65m for 17/18 so, unless your figures refer to 18/19 (are they out yet?) there is a discrepancy anyway. If they are losing more than 2/3 of appeals then there is clearly something wrong with the assessment process which needs sorting out but they have still got a lot of kicking to do to make any significant dent in the £50 billion actually being paid out.


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Tory health minister deliberately blocks law to give NHS cheap drugs when patents expire


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Tory health minister deliberately blocks law to give NHS cheap drugs when patents expire


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 24526.html


Shocking. :oops:

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I thought that said "when PATIENTS expire", and I was wondering why we waste drugs on the dead....

Must stop 'skim-reading'....

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I thought that said "when PATIENTS expire", and I was wondering why we waste drugs on the dead....

Must stop 'skim-reading'....


Well we certainly don't want to be using drugs to create the undead given the current parlous state of the NHS.

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I went to see a GP yesterday at 10:30. I was called to Shrewsbury Surgical Assessment Unit before twelve, saw three doctors, with the final specialist deciding I had a treatable infection rather than something that needed emergency slicing and dicing. Out of the SAU by 15:00, taking my first horse pill by 16:00.

Say what you like about them, I thought everyone in the chain was fantastic.

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I went to see a GP yesterday at 10:30. I was called to Shrewsbury Surgical Assessment Unit before twelve, saw three doctors, with the final specialist deciding I had a treatable infection rather than something that needed emergency slicing and dicing. Out of the SAU by 15:00, taking my first horse pill by 16:00.

Say what you like about them, I thought everyone in the chain was fantastic.



let me know when you next run, I'll put a fiver on you..:-)

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I went to see a GP yesterday at 10:30. I was called to Shrewsbury Surgical Assessment Unit before twelve, saw three doctors, with the final specialist deciding I had a treatable infection rather than something that needed emergency slicing and dicing. Out of the SAU by 15:00, taking my first horse pill by 16:00.

Say what you like about them, I thought everyone in the chain was fantastic.



let me know when you next run, I'll put a fiver on you..:-)


He might be a couple of pounds out of the handicap now!!

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Rozza wrote:
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suiging wrote:
I went to see a GP yesterday at 10:30. I was called to Shrewsbury Surgical Assessment Unit before twelve, saw three doctors, with the final specialist deciding I had a treatable infection rather than something that needed emergency slicing and dicing. Out of the SAU by 15:00, taking my first horse pill by 16:00.

Say what you like about them, I thought everyone in the chain was fantastic.



let me know when you next run, I'll put a fiver on you..:-)


He might be a couple of pounds out of the handicap now!!



Maybe he's had a wind operation as well..:-)

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Larf? I've bought a corset to stop my sides from splitting. I just love a bunch of girls with a sense of humour.

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Cuts may leave NHS short of 70,000 nurses, leaked report warns

Abolition of bursaries for nursing students led to severe fall in number training for the profession

The NHS could be short of almost 70,000 nurses within five years, according to a leaked copy of the government’s long-awaited plan to tackle the staffing crisis.

Blaming the government’s decision to abolish bursaries for nursing students, a draft of the NHS people plan says: “Our analysis shows a 40,000 (11%) shortfall [in the number of nurses needed in England] in 2018-19 which widens to 68,500 (16%) by 2023-24 without intervention, as demand for nurses grows faster than supply.”

That would mean that the NHS’s shortage of nurses increases from one in nine of the workforce to one in six, adding to the rising pressures on hospitals, GP surgeries and mental health care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -abolished

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Cuts may leave NHS short of 70,000 nurses, leaked report warns

Abolition of bursaries for nursing students led to severe fall in number training for the profession

The NHS could be short of almost 70,000 nurses within five years, according to a leaked copy of the government’s long-awaited plan to tackle the staffing crisis.

Blaming the government’s decision to abolish bursaries for nursing students, a draft of the NHS people plan says: “Our analysis shows a 40,000 (11%) shortfall [in the number of nurses needed in England] in 2018-19 which widens to 68,500 (16%) by 2023-24 without intervention, as demand for nurses grows faster than supply.”

That would mean that the NHS’s shortage of nurses increases from one in nine of the workforce to one in six, adding to the rising pressures on hospitals, GP surgeries and mental health care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -abolished


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Cuts may leave NHS short of 70,000 nurses, leaked report warns

Abolition of bursaries for nursing students led to severe fall in number training for the profession

The NHS could be short of almost 70,000 nurses within five years, according to a leaked copy of the government’s long-awaited plan to tackle the staffing crisis.

Blaming the government’s decision to abolish bursaries for nursing students, a draft of the NHS people plan says: “Our analysis shows a 40,000 (11%) shortfall [in the number of nurses needed in England] in 2018-19 which widens to 68,500 (16%) by 2023-24 without intervention, as demand for nurses grows faster than supply.”

That would mean that the NHS’s shortage of nurses increases from one in nine of the workforce to one in six, adding to the rising pressures on hospitals, GP surgeries and mental health care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -abolished


I have to say I don't agree with the abolition of Nurses Bursaries- its not like they get paid the money of a Dr. upon graduation.

There are certain roles that have , in the past , always seemed more of a calling - & nursing , to me, is one of them.

If I understand it correctly they used to have to work in a hospital for a year as part of their training - for free.
I believe they still have to do that ...even though they are paying for the year ?!

I think as long as they commit to staying in the NHS for a period- I dunno say 10 years- that they should not pay for their course.


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Stopping bursaries has been a major issue in reducing the number of Nurse recruit available tio the NHS but please remember that it hasn't impacted yet because the Nursing course takes 3 years before they are trained to work anyway.

The point about Nursing being a vocational job is interesting. Nurses did used to be trained far more in situ on the wards but it was then decided that it needed to be a "degree standard" job. In my view this in fact lost the NHS many good practical caring Nurses who couldn't attain the academic requirements. The work in hospitals ism now usually undertaken as placements for a term at a time in between academic terms over the three years. Many of the Degree qualified Nurses are now, understandably, looking at career opportunities and this often takes them away from general patient care to more specialist or management roles.

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Cuts may leave NHS short of 70,000 nurses, leaked report warns

Abolition of bursaries for nursing students led to severe fall in number training for the profession

The NHS could be short of almost 70,000 nurses within five years, according to a leaked copy of the government’s long-awaited plan to tackle the staffing crisis.

Blaming the government’s decision to abolish bursaries for nursing students, a draft of the NHS people plan says: “Our analysis shows a 40,000 (11%) shortfall [in the number of nurses needed in England] in 2018-19 which widens to 68,500 (16%) by 2023-24 without intervention, as demand for nurses grows faster than supply.”

That would mean that the NHS’s shortage of nurses increases from one in nine of the workforce to one in six, adding to the rising pressures on hospitals, GP surgeries and mental health care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -abolished


I have to say I don't agree with the abolition of Nurses Bursaries- its not like they get paid the money
of a Dr. upon graduation.

There are certain roles that have , in the past , always seemed more of a calling - & nursing , to me, is one of them.

If I understand it correctly they used to have to work in a hospital for a year as part of their training - for free.
I believe they still have to do that ...even though they are paying for the year ?!

I think as long as they commit to staying in the NHS for a period- I dunno say 10 years- that they should not pay for their course.


The key point is under Labour the number of Nurses in training go up with many of them becoming ward nurses under the next government.
Inherited a good situation.
Now under the Tories the lack of training and numbers make it difficult for a potential Labour government.
Its a cycle of trying to put right past failure.

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Cuts may leave NHS short of 70,000 nurses, leaked report warns

Abolition of bursaries for nursing students led to severe fall in number training for the profession

The NHS could be short of almost 70,000 nurses within five years, according to a leaked copy of the government’s long-awaited plan to tackle the staffing crisis.

Blaming the government’s decision to abolish bursaries for nursing students, a draft of the NHS people plan says: “Our analysis shows a 40,000 (11%) shortfall [in the number of nurses needed in England] in 2018-19 which widens to 68,500 (16%) by 2023-24 without intervention, as demand for nurses grows faster than supply.”

That would mean that the NHS’s shortage of nurses increases from one in nine of the workforce to one in six, adding to the rising pressures on hospitals, GP surgeries and mental health care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -abolished


I have to say I don't agree with the abolition of Nurses Bursaries- its not like they get paid the money
of a Dr. upon graduation.

There are certain roles that have , in the past , always seemed more of a calling - & nursing , to me, is one of them.

If I understand it correctly they used to have to work in a hospital for a year as part of their training - for free.
I believe they still have to do that ...even though they are paying for the year ?!

I think as long as they commit to staying in the NHS for a period- I dunno say 10 years- that they should not pay for their course.


The key point is under Labour the number of Nurses in training go up with many of them becoming ward nurses under the next government.
Inherited a good situation.
Now under the Tories the lack of training and numbers make it difficult for a potential Labour government.

Its a cycle of trying to put right past failure.


Not true. Nurse training places commissioned year on year between 2005 and 2011 reduced significantly under Labour direction, largely to do with their transferring care to the community ethos. The fall continued for a further year under the Tories but the two years 2013/14 and 2014/15 they increased significantly. The Tories, therefore, inherited a poor situation left by Labour and improved it. You accuse the media of bias, obfuscation and lying to assist the Tories but you do much the same yourself in trying to promote the Labour party.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/chart/ ... fessionals

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How is it in any way acceptable that Andrew Lansley, the tory health secretary who oversaw the 2012 Health and Social Care act which enabled the expansion of privatisation in the NHS, was subsequently allowed to work as a paid advisor to several private healthcare companies?

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Presumably because he had left his government post, had expert knowledge and was not taking these jobs unlawfully. I would be far more concerned if he had been a paid adviser for these organisations whilst he was the minister responsible for implementing the act.

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GP surgery closures rise by 800% as system 'creaks'

According to new research, 583 surgeries have closed in the past six years as the NHS grapples with a recruitment crisis.

Almost two million patients have been affected by a huge rise in the number of GP surgeries closing down.

According to an investigation by the medical website Pulse, 138 surgeries shut down last year - compared with just 18 in 2013.

Pulse has warned that the total number of closures since 2013 could be even higher than the 583 it has recorded, as some health bodies failed to respond to its FOI request.

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GP surgery closures rise by 800% as system 'creaks'

According to new research, 583 surgeries have closed in the past six years as the NHS grapples with a recruitment crisis.

Almost two million patients have been affected by a huge rise in the number of GP surgeries closing down.

According to an investigation by the medical website Pulse, 138 surgeries shut down last year - compared with just 18 in 2013.

Pulse has warned that the total number of closures since 2013 could be even higher than the 583 it has recorded, as some health bodies failed to respond to its FOI request.


It was responded too and the actual figure was 138 closures based on the 38 closures in 2013, still 137 too many.
These figures have been roundly showcased on the BBC news all day knocker, dont you watch the cowin telly man?

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Remember - the BBC is all part of a Tory conspiracy according to ....

But the figure of 'surgery closures' is not necessarily the whole story. If three small surgeries have closed an instead there is a health centre with as many GPs but also more services (nurses for blood tests & minor issues) based there, then it MIGHT be an improvement.... Perhaps the 'little local practice' has been shown to be less effective ....

No idea if this is the case, but statistics need to be explored more comprehensively than the media have the capacity or understanding so to do; they simply want a good NEGATIVE story - with the more horror bits the better.

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Remember - the BBC is all part of a Tory conspiracy according to ....

But the figure of 'surgery closures' is not necessarily the whole story. If three small surgeries have closed an instead there is a health centre with as many GPs but also more services (nurses for blood tests & minor issues) based there, then it MIGHT be an improvement.... Perhaps the 'little local practice' has been shown to be less effective ....

No idea if this is the case, but statistics need to be explored more comprehensively than the media have the capacity or understanding so to do; they simply want a good NEGATIVE story - with the more horror bits the better.


I am certainly aware of a number of cases where surgeries have merged and moved into single premises to reduce costs but I don't know if these are counted in the closure figures where 2 becomes 1 even though the same number of GP's are still involved.

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Remember - the BBC is all part of a Tory conspiracy according to ....

But the figure of 'surgery closures' is not necessarily the whole story. If three small surgeries have closed an instead there is a health centre with as many GPs but also more services (nurses for blood tests & minor issues) based there, then it MIGHT be an improvement.... Perhaps the 'little local practice' has been shown to be less effective ....

No idea if this is the case, but statistics need to be explored more comprehensively than the media have the capacity or understanding so to do; they simply want a good NEGATIVE story - with the more horror bits the better.


Well Rozza above said that this news had been on the television all day so the opportunity was available to give depth and detail to each side of the argument.

Did they, or are we all still guessing a little without our own research.

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Well Rozza above said that this news had been on the television all day so the opportunity was available to give depth and detail to each side of the argument.

Did they, or are we all still guessing a little without our own research.


If you want to accuse the BBC of bias then no they didn't. If you don't then yes they did. Or vice versa depending where you are coming from with your preconceptions. No doubt they gave much more in depth coverage on the news 24 channel which I admit I didn't watch.

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Theresa May stood next to Donald Trump as he said the NHS will be "on the table" in a US trade deal. And that’s what Tory leadership contenders and Farage are lining up for the No Deal disaster capitalism plans they have.

They all need to understand: our NHS is not for sale. Jeremy Corbyn.

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Theresa May stood next to Donald Trump as he said the NHS will be "on the table" in a US trade deal. And that’s what Tory leadership contenders and Farage are lining up for the No Deal disaster capitalism plans they have.

They all need to understand: our NHS is not for sale. Jeremy Corbyn.


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Did I see a headline that talked about the NHS being under threat from the EU ?
I've not seen anyone mention this anywhere so I assume its bolox - but thought there may be some on here that have seen it and could maybe enlighten the rest of us lazy buggers.


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Did I see a headline that talked about the NHS being under threat from the EU ?
I've not seen anyone mention this anywhere so I assume its bolox - but thought there may be some on here that have seen it and could maybe enlighten the rest of us lazy buggers.


I don't know the specific headline you mention but I think it is generally understood that the EU has encouraged privatisation deals in the NHS and sees the development of trade arrangements with the NHS as very important. There are also suggestions that as the EU develops and takes on more central control it will encourage models of health care more in line with the other major countries in Europe. Also, EU laws on employment have, and will continue to, make it more difficult to recruit workers from more traditional countries such as India and the Phillipines.

These factors certainly suggest that it isn't a one way argument to say that Brexit is a bigger danger to the NHS than the EU.

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