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 Post Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:59 am 
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Anyone remember the hysteria that surrounded the Millennium bug?, aircraft falling out of the sky, atomic bombs gooin off an all manner of fuckery occurring.

Anyone remember what actually happened at 00.01 , yep, fuck all.

Millennium bug = No deal Brexit.

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 Post subject: Re: Millenium bug
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Ar, I remember it well. Sat in the pub celebrating New Year and expecting power cuts etc.....I suppose in hindsight that one had to be prepared for any nasty surprises, so best ready than not. Brexit is a boil on the arse of UK citizens and needs a conclusion immediately but Parliament won't let it have one, for better or for worse. I think that Brexit will not happen and we'll be left in despair of the loss of a majority referendum vote in a supposed democracy. If a no deal happens, there will be a couple or three months of supply shortage issues until solutions are found to overcome them, after that trade will continue and life will slowly return to near normal.

Anyway, Rozza, I saw the thread title and thought it was the name of a new sponsor, Millennium Bug replacing Silverbug...:-)

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This is what happens when people trust in Tories

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 Post subject: Re: Millenium bug
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The difference is something will definitely happen when Britain leaves the EU, we already know that. The millennium bug was concern about whether something would happen or not.

Whether it means the sky will fall in or Global Britain will claim its rightful place as the best ever country in the whole wide world is up to opinion, but do not fool yourself into thinking nothing will change.

The UK will immediately be operating in a completely different legal scenario than it has for 40 years, the legal basis on which it has based almost all its institutions, trade and political decisions for that period.

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This is what happens when people trust in Tories


Except the Labour party played a big part in making sure it didn't happen and creating the mess. The problem was that the people hadn't supported the Tories ENOUGH at the election

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 Post subject: Re: Millenium bug
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I have seen this on many messages regards no deal Brexit but sorry to tell you you guys are all talking bollocks in this instance.

I personally spent over 2 YEARS (maybe even 3) ensuring no impact from this - it was a real concern, that required extensive investigations and rewriting of code

It is testament to our preparations that any impact was minimised to such an extent it was virtually non existent.

I would suggest that if the analogy wishes to be used in relation to No Deal it should be that the acceptance of the milenium bug issue and the associated detailed preparations over a number of years meant that any impact was mitigated , and NOT that it was all scare tactics as nothing happened.

Its the lack of these detailed preparations for No Deal instigated by May & Hammond and aided and abetted by a parliament that stillrefuses to conternance the possibility of a NO Deal that has caused this position.
They even passed a bill that said we couldn't spend any money on no deal until the spend had gone through parliament- absolute madness!

They have failed to accept the possibility and have therefore deliberately undermined this countries capability to accommodate a no deal, and they have also by association failed this country in negotiations.

it is only now,under Johnson's tenure, this approach has changed, and may have got results... until the surrender monkey's in parliament again managed to cut the legs from under him.


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knocker knowles wrote:
This is what happens when people trust in Tories


Oh dear me, Labour was in charge when the Millennium bells chimed. Don't bash the Tories all the time, just 99%.....:-)

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For those working people in the 20 to 50 age group who are still unaware of how this will effect you big time, More fool you.

The media are in collusion with an extreme right wing bunch of nutters who are trashing the nation.

Normalising what's happening is shameful.

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For those working people in the 20 to 50 age group who are still unaware of how this will effect you big time, More fool you.

The media are in collusion with an extreme right wing bunch of nutters who are trashing the nation.

Normalising what's happening is shameful.


I find that a lot of the media are in collusion with the left wing nutters. It is amazing how you are always so much more knowledgeable or insightful than the vast majority of the electorate.

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If we just look to one example of how unprepared the UK is regards an exit with NO DEAL.

Transportation through Dover into Calais

As of July this year only 50 per cent of companies held the right paperwork to enable them to move through customs on Nov 1st.
Given that 10,000 lorries travel currently each day, you can start to imagine the potential backlog.

What we really need is the full publication of Yellowhammer.

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We'll cope.... we always do.... We're British you see.

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We'll cope.... we always do.... We're British you see.



Dunkirk spirit, yet we shouldn't forget those that died at Dunkirk because the British underestimated the German strength and strategy.

There was a YouGov poll this past weekend which suggests near 60 per cent of people believe NO DEAL and a clean break means the end of it.

How wrong can they be, just how can you be three years into a very serious issue and still be clueless of whats involved.

Its as though the nation don't do serious any more, lets have a bit of banter and slapstick, far more fun.

Until...…………………………..

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We'll cope.... we always do.... We're British you see.



Dunkirk spirit, yet we shouldn't forget those that died at Dunkirk because the British underestimated the German strength and strategy.

There was a YouGov poll this past weekend which suggests near 60 per cent of people believe NO DEAL and a clean break means the end of it.

How wrong can they be, just how can you be three years into a very serious issue and still be clueless of whats involved.

Its as though the nation don't do serious any more, lets have a bit of banter and slapstick, far more fun.

Until...…………………………..


If Corbyn had been PM at the time of Dunkirk not one boat would have left these shores without it first being risk assessed.
His parliament and cronies would have been debating the pro's and con's of evacuation just as the Luftwaffe were parachuting gert big blue eyed blonde haired lads through the roof of Westminster.

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Rozza wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
wolfman169 wrote:
We'll cope.... we always do.... We're British you see.



Dunkirk spirit, yet we shouldn't forget those that died at Dunkirk because the British underestimated the German strength and strategy.

There was a YouGov poll this past weekend which suggests near 60 per cent of people believe NO DEAL and a clean break means the end of it.

How wrong can they be, just how can you be three years into a very serious issue and still be clueless of whats involved.

Its as though the nation don't do serious any more, lets have a bit of banter and slapstick, far more fun.

Until...…………………………..


If Corbyn had been PM at the time of Dunkirk not one boat would have left these shores without it first being risk assessed.
His parliament and cronies would have been debating the pro's and con's of evacuation just as the Luftwaffe were parachuting gert big blue eyed blonde haired lads through the roof of Westminster.


The lack of risk assessment led to our working class ancestors needlessly being killed in the fields of France.
Its the Russians what won it, never forget that, well that and a long cold winter.

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I always wonder which nations' people supposedly don't believe they will "cope" or "survive" a crisis because "they always do".

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The Germans who lost it knocker because they overestimated the task and underestimated the resistance(not French).
No risk assessments needed mate, Germany invaded Poland, annexed Europe and Africa and much like the Romans several thousand years before them underestimated the opposition.

Anyroad we digress. Trade will continue, flights and travel will continue, borders both hard and soft be they on land or in the sea will remain, holidays and ex - pats will be unaffected, Christ on a bike we cant ensure the security of our borders now and have not done so since Tony and Cherie invited most of North Africa and Eastern Europe to come to our party.

Corbyn is a weasel, a detractor, a back seat driver, he does not invent things or methods or policy, he detracts and criticises those that do and will.
There are tens of thousands of little men like him that infest big organisations like the civil service, the NHS, Police, public and private sector companies. hey do fuck all but resist the opinions and options of those that try to make things work, but NEVER offer any solutions themselves, I despise the mentality and the corrosion they cause.

annnddd relax, calm blue ocean calm blue ocean.

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knocker knowles wrote:
If we just look to one example of how unprepared the UK is regards an exit with NO DEAL.

Transportation through Dover into Calais

As of July this year only 50 per cent of companies held the right paperwork to enable them to move through customs on Nov 1st.
Given that 10,000 lorries travel currently each day, you can start to imagine the potential backlog.

What we really need is the full publication of Yellowhammer.


Getting back on point.

Now we know more because of Yellowhammer, has your view changed?

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knocker knowles wrote:
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If we just look to one example of how unprepared the UK is regards an exit with NO DEAL.

Transportation through Dover into Calais

As of July this year only 50 per cent of companies held the right paperwork to enable them to move through customs on Nov 1st.
Given that 10,000 lorries travel currently each day, you can start to imagine the potential backlog.

What we really need is the full publication of Yellowhammer.


Getting back on point.

Now we know more because of Yellowhammer, has your view changed?


Absolutely not - See my previous post on this thread in regards to where I apportion blame.

If we allow this to detract as they are trying to do it just means the attempts to undermine our position have succeeded.

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Yellowhammer is just the tip of the iceberg, its not just short term problems that will eventually sort themselves out.

Its all the regulations, all the laws, all the framework of trade lost as you become an outsider.

Meanwhile while your trade becomes more expensive, harder to move, more difficult to regulate your competitors are taking what was once yours.

NO DEAL.
Means you start the day after negotiating with a huge trading block on their terms.

First item on the agenda is not trade.

Its the Irish backstop.

And this time its on the EU's terms.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Yellowhammer is just the tip of the iceberg, its not just short term problems that will eventually sort themselves out.

Its all the regulations, all the laws, all the framework of trade lost as you become an outsider.

Meanwhile while your trade becomes more expensive, harder to move, more difficult to regulate your competitors are taking what was once yours.

NO DEAL.
Means you start the day after negotiating with a huge trading block on their terms.

First item on the agenda is not trade.

Its the Irish backstop.

And this time its on the EU's terms.


The first half of that was known when we (inc. you) voted out so no need to make out it was an unknown.... & the last part I disagree with.

its EU rules that dictate an hard border not ours.
it's EU rules that dictated the WA must be signed before any trade deal discussed not ours

Both rules combined are detrimental to us & make our withdrawal difficult- that's why the EU decreed them - and why May agreed to both of them.

We have spent three years getting here purely because of those contrary statements by the EU

If we leave with a no deal then all can be agreed together ...the EU most definateley don't want that.


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I still honestly believe in getting out but not at the expense of trashing the economy.

I have been reading up on all the rules and regulations regards Efta/ EEA, its an absolute minefield.

Even the Norway model has so many areas that are open to interpretation and secondary rules.

Then you look at Canada plus and you just start to realise you and most people know next to nothing.

Your not going to sort this stuff out in less than a decade. And then its an ongoing process.

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