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I watched that vote and saw as many hands for it as was agin it. Democracy, load of bollocks, even the chair got it wrong before guessing the outcome and sticking to it.


The chair was "told" the outcome of the vote by the general secretary of the party, who is coincidentally the mother of Len McCluskey's child.

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." - J. Stalin.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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I watched that vote and saw as many hands for it as was agin it. Democracy, load of bollocks, even the chair got it wrong before guessing the outcome and sticking to it.


The chair was "told" the outcome of the vote by the general secretary of the party, who is coincidentally the mother of Len McCluskey's child.

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." - J. Stalin.


Out of all the shadowy co-horts guiding the Labour party now I find McCluskey most odious and sinister. He repulses me in the same way George Galloway does.

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Pick the bones out of that.

Free movement and closure of detention centres. Labour for Free Movement’s motion commits to maintaining and extending free movement, closing all detention centres, awarding equal voting rights to all UK residents, ending “no recourse to public funds” and more. Full story here.

https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies ... ence-2019/

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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Pick the bones out of that.

Free movement and closure of detention centres. Labour for Free Movement’s motion commits to maintaining and extending free movement, closing all detention centres, awarding equal voting rights to all UK residents, ending “no recourse to public funds” and more. Full story here.

https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies ... ence-2019/



With this policy, who do you think will come in their millions to the UK? Where will they live?, where will the register to see a doctor?, where will their kids go to school? Who will employ them on a three day week at the new minimum wage on full contracts with rights to go on the board?....


And most importantly, who will stop the civil war?

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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And while we're on the subject, how many of these millions of refugees will be allowed to live in Islington with Jeremy, Di, and Lady Muck? I'm sure they'll flood Cannock, and I'm 100% sure they won't be living next door to your Labour elite.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Pick the bones out of that.

Free movement and closure of detention centres. Labour for Free Movement’s motion commits to maintaining and extending free movement, closing all detention centres, awarding equal voting rights to all UK residents, ending “no recourse to public funds” and more. Full story here.

https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies ... ence-2019/



With this policy, who do you think will come in their millions to the UK? Where will they live?, where will the register to see a doctor?, where will their kids go to school? Who will employ them on a three day week at the new minimum wage on full contracts with rights to go on the board?....


And most importantly, who will stop the civil war?


Its membership driven policy at the grassroots of the party showing a complete lack of awareness of key issues facing what were Labour heartlands.
These same people can be seen on election nights in town halls looking completely bemused when they find their party totally annihilated.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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suiging wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
Pick the bones out of that.

Free movement and closure of detention centres. Labour for Free Movement’s motion commits to maintaining and extending free movement, closing all detention centres, awarding equal voting rights to all UK residents, ending “no recourse to public funds” and more. Full story here.

https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies ... ence-2019/



With this policy, who do you think will come in their millions to the UK? Where will they live?, where will the register to see a doctor?, where will their kids go to school? Who will employ them on a three day week at the new minimum wage on full contracts with rights to go on the board?....


And most importantly, who will stop the civil war?


Its membership driven policy at the grassroots of the party showing a complete lack of awareness of key issues facing what were Labour heartlands.
These same people can be seen on election nights in town halls looking completely bemused when they find their party totally annihilated.


But it's now your Party's official policy. How do you think it will go down with the Garden tax, the destruction of the housing market, and the destruction of private schools now your front bench have got their children through them?

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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suiging wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
Pick the bones out of that.

Free movement and closure of detention centres. Labour for Free Movement’s motion commits to maintaining and extending free movement, closing all detention centres, awarding equal voting rights to all UK residents, ending “no recourse to public funds” and more. Full story here.

https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies ... ence-2019/



With this policy, who do you think will come in their millions to the UK? Where will they live?, where will the register to see a doctor?, where will their kids go to school? Who will employ them on a three day week at the new minimum wage on full contracts with rights to go on the board?....


And most importantly, who will stop the civil war?


Its membership driven policy at the grassroots of the party showing a complete lack of awareness of key issues facing what were Labour heartlands.
These same people can be seen on election nights in town halls looking completely bemused when they find their party totally annihilated.


The Tramp is obviously worried about losing traditional voters in the Industrial North due to his Brexit betrayal. How cynical it is to expand Blair's open door policies to flood the North with migrants ( certainly not the leafy South, heavens no) with promises that if they vote labour, they can stay. Suddenly the traditional Labour voter who the Party now treat with disdain, can vote for who they like, Corbyn plans to have hundreds of thousands of voters parachuted in from camps in France and Africa to cover the loss. He and his pals don't give a shit about ghettos, lack of schools, doctors or housing outside the M25 anymore, he'll bring in unvetted, tens of thousands of whoever? to make sure he gets his Marxist way. Plays from the Stalin playbook, and you lot can't see it.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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]Pick the bones out of that.

Free movement and closure of detention centres. Labour for Free Movement’s motion commits to maintaining and extending free movement, closing all detention centres, awarding equal voting rights to all UK residents, ending “no recourse to public funds” and more. Full story here.

https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies ... ence-2019/[/quote]


With this policy, who do you think will come in their millions to the UK? Where will they live?, where will the register to see a doctor?, where will their kids go to school? Who will employ them on a three day week at the new minimum wage on full contracts with rights to go on the board?....


And most importantly, who will stop the civil war?[/quote]

Its membership driven policy at the grassroots of the party showing a complete lack of awareness of key issues facing what were Labour heartlands.
These same people can be seen on election nights in town halls looking completely bemused when they find their party totally annihilated.[/quote]

But it's now your Party's official policy. How do you think it will go down with the Garden tax, the destruction of the housing market, and the destruction of private schools now your front bench have got their children through them?[/quote]

There's certainly lots of interesting ideas within the likely Labour manifesto built around providing help and opportunity for those at a disadvantage within society.
My question mark relates to if they have the intelligence to develop the better ones into policy while leaving the pie in the sky ones alone.

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Which do you consider to be 'the better ones'?

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Which do you consider to be 'the better ones'?



I need to study them more before coming to any conclusions.

The ones where kids are affected gain my first attention, if we can get to grips with food banks, real poverty, stuff like that.
Getting rid of prescription charges I also agree with while removing charitable status from Private Schools will help close a few loopholes.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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What did socialists use before candles?.............. Electricity

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What did socialists use before candles?.............. Electricity


" I will die for my country but I wont let my country die for me"

Famous quote regarding energy but who by and for what.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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What did socialists use before candles?.............. Electricity


" I will die for my country but I wont let my country die for me"

Famous quote regarding energy but who by and for what.

Trends am human tings.


Shortly before he entered the Murphy's Book of Ejeets, for kissing the most black babies in Cardiff.

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UK economy would be 5% bigger under Labour than a Conservative government by 2022

The report said Britain’s economic fortunes were tied up with the outcome of Brexit and a possible general election, leading to the conclusion that the outlook would be much brighter if Mr Corbyn led the next government rather than Mr Johnson.


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/busin ... 022/08/10/

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UK economy would be 5% bigger under Labour than a Conservative government by 2022

The report said Britain’s economic fortunes were tied up with the outcome of Brexit and a possible general election, leading to the conclusion that the outlook would be much brighter if Mr Corbyn led the next government rather than Mr Johnson.


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/busin ... 022/08/10/


Once again a forecast only which is one of many different ones but this one comes from a largely left wing publication which has generally held a remainer point of view. Another media publication which doesn't fit KK's comment that the media are all pro Tory. Even then when you read the article it says that the spending figures used are similar to those in Labour's 2017 Manifesto because of the Tories spending promises and also that it is comparing a no deal Tory position against a Remainer labour position neither of which are yet certain within their own parties.

It's really about knowing the point of view of those who publish the articles and comparing with those who have a different point of view then making your mind up. I sometimes get the impression that KK doesn't think many of us are capable of doing that.

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UK economy would be 5% bigger under Labour than a Conservative government by 2022

The report said Britain’s economic fortunes were tied up with the outcome of Brexit and a possible general election, leading to the conclusion that the outlook would be much brighter if Mr Corbyn led the next government rather than Mr Johnson.


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/busin ... 022/08/10/


Once again a forecast only which is one of many different ones but this one comes from a largely left wing publication which has generally held a remainer point of view. Another media publication which doesn't fit KK's comment that the media are all pro Tory. Even then when you read the article it says that the spending figures used are similar to those in Labour's 2017 Manifesto because of the Tories spending promises and also that it is comparing a no deal Tory position against a Remainer labour position neither of which are yet certain within their own parties.

It's really about knowing the point of view of those who publish the articles and comparing with those who have a different point of view then making your mind up. I sometimes get the impression that KK doesn't think many of us are capable of doing that.


The editor, Jack Peat, is a self-professed Corbynite who started his publication with the aim to reach the young Labour voter in the city, to give them an alternative to as he puts it - " The Tory controlled media." Where have we heard that before KK ? His last Facebook essay was entitled 'Why The Smug Brexiteers Are Seriously Wrong.' Mmmmm, now he sounds objective doesn't he ?

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UK economy would be 5% bigger under Labour than a Conservative government by 2022

The report said Britain’s economic fortunes were tied up with the outcome of Brexit and a possible general election, leading to the conclusion that the outlook would be much brighter if Mr Corbyn led the next government rather than Mr Johnson.


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/busin ... 022/08/10/[/quote]

Once again a forecast only which is one of many different ones but this one comes from a largely left wing publication which has generally held a remainer point of view. Another media publication which doesn't fit KK's comment that the media are all pro Tory. Even then when you read the article it says that the spending figures used are similar to those in Labour's 2017 Manifesto because of the Tories spending promises and also that it is comparing a no deal Tory position against a Remainer labour position neither of which are yet certain within their own parties.

It's really about knowing the point of view of those who publish the articles and comparing with those who have a different point of view then making your mind up. I sometimes get the impression that KK doesn't think many of us are capable of doing that.[/quote]

The editor, Jack Peat, is a self-professed Corbynite who started his publication with the aim to reach the young Labour voter in the city, to give them an alternative to as he puts it - " The Tory controlled media." Where have we heard that before KK ? His last Facebook essay was entitled 'Why The Smug Brexiteers Are Seriously Wrong.' Mmmmm, now he sounds objective doesn't he ?[/quote]

Its a view as worthy as those given creedence daily in BBC/SKY newspaper reviews, you know those that spew out Conservative propaganda by the bucket load.
Very rare you will find these kind of views aired or discussed by your right wing media bubble.

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Its a view as worthy as those given creedence daily in BBC/SKY newspaper reviews, you know those that spew out Conservative propaganda by the bucket load.
Very rare you will find these kind of views aired or discussed by your right wing media bubble.


As far as I am concerned, it is just as likely to be aired or discussed by the BBC as any right wing propaganda. I believe you don't see what is there because of your own ingrained prejudices.

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Good old Guido. Giving a bit of balance to the likes of New European and Open Democracy. :lol:

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Good old Guido. Giving a bit of balance to the likes of New European and Open Democracy. :lol:


Indeed. We live for balanced reporting Knocker and I.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50051178

Idiot.


And the article next to it complaining that not enough 17 year olds get stopped and asked for ID before buying vaping equipment. Hilarious.

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... and another article claimed the move would disadvantage 'the old'.

Aren;t we always being told 'the old' tend to vote 'Brexit' and 'Tory'? In which case, why would Corbyn insist this is an exercise by the far right to disadvantage the disadvantaged?

(And isn't it the case that the severely disadvantaged do not vote in elections in any case, whether or not they have to show ID??)

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Illegal immigrants hoping for a free pass under Labour won't be able to vote six times on behalf of their cousins. Without them, poor old Jezza will have no one left. Hence his concern

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For the good Lord's sake KK, can't someone give Jezza a watch ? Turning down something you have been calling for for years before it's published ?

Not a good day for the cabal mate. The Jewish question just keeps giving and now he will have to find a new excuse not to have a GE !!!

Can you not just get another leader ?

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For the good Lord's sake KK, can't someone give Jezza a watch ? Turning down something you have been calling for for years before it's published ?

Not a good day for the cabal mate. The Jewish question just keeps giving and now he will have to find a new excuse not to have a GE !!!

Can you not just get another leader ?


I hope not - not just yet anyway.


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For the good Lord's sake KK, can't someone give Jezza a watch ? Turning down something you have been calling for for years before it's published ?

Not a good day for the cabal mate. The Jewish question just keeps giving and now he will have to find a new excuse not to have a GE !!!

Can you not just get another leader ?



We like him, he's the first one in near half a century that has the peoples interests at heart as the first priority.
Thats very important to some of us who really care about the disadvantaged within society.
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