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The nationalisation of water, energy grids and the Royal Mail would save UK households £7.8bn a year and pay for itself within seven years, according to new academic research.

A report by Greenwich University’s Public Service International Research Unit put the total cost of compensation to private sector owners at [color=#FF0000]just[/color] £49.7bn – around a quarter of the widely quoted £196bn price tag calculated by the CBI last month, which also covered rail.

Labour’s manifesto for the 12 December general election is expected to include commitments to take the rail network, National Grid, water and mail delivery back into public hands.

Prof Hall found this would save the UK £2.5bn a year on water, £3.7bn on gas and electricity and a further £1.4bn if existing private finance initiative projects were nationalised.

Professor Hall calculates that the average household would be £142 better off a year as a result of nationalising energy grids, and £113 better off if English water companies were publicly owned.

“Based on intensive empirical research, this paper shows that public ownership of utilities would result in annual savings of just under £8bn – so nationalisation would pay for itself in less than seven years,” said Prof Hall.


This organisation has over 700 unions affiliated to it worldwide, and was founded in order to fight capitalism and in particular, privatisation. Nice try, but totally biased.


That's the problem isn't it we only wish to believe our own news outlets, all sides be they left right or centre.
Whats unfortunate for those of us to the left of centre is that our news outlets don't get mainstream recognition.

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The only two issues I have with that comment are that I believe your views to be very left of centre and I don’t accept that those views are not represented in the main stream media, more that you watch what is represented with a very biased eye.

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So another beauty today. Labour pledge to make builders give half-price homes to people who work in 'key' jobs.

One, the builders will build rubbish, as how can they afford to give away half-priced homes. Two, the corruption involved in the allocation will even give Dawn Butler's council house a run for it's money.

The fairy tale just keeps giving.

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So another beauty today. Labour pledge to make builders give half-price homes to people who work in 'key' jobs.

One, the builders will build rubbish, as how can they afford to give away half-priced homes. Two, the corruption involved in the allocation will even give Dawn Butler's council house a run for it's money.

The fairy tale just keeps giving.


Tory fiction.

To be fair, 40 fictitious hospitals staffed by 19,000 fictitious nurses is the kind of political offer we've come to expect from the government that delivered 200,000 fictitious starter homes..

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So another beauty today. Labour pledge to make builders give half-price homes to people who work in 'key' jobs.

One, the builders will build rubbish, as how can they afford to give away half-priced homes. Two, the corruption involved in the allocation will even give Dawn Butler's council house a run for it's money.

The fairy tale just keeps giving.


Tory fiction.

To be fair, 40 fictitious hospitals staffed by 19,000 fictitious nurses is the kind of political offer we've come to expect from the government that delivered 200,000 fictitious starter homes..


How is it fiction when it cam directly from your man ?

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How did Corbyn get on against 'The Brillo' Knocker ? Statesman like performance ?


Edited to add, 'The Brillo' is not Jewish, just in case you wanted to use that excuse.

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How did Corbyn get on against 'The Brillo' Knocker ? Statesman like performance ?


Edited to add, 'The Brillo' is not Jewish, just in case you wanted to use that excuse.



I found the half hour interesting rather than informative.

I enjoy leaders being put on the spot but feel the journo's within the UK are going for entertainment rather than education.
What I dislike and its with most question askers they haven't the patience or willingness to listen to a well rounded answer.
Its sad that its about soundbites and headlines rather than in depth thinking. Pretty much sums up the UK, more banter than substance.
I would give Andrew Neil 2 hours with each leader with the same quality of questions, more time for answers and less interruptions.

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I hate rude interviewers, but at the same time I have sympathy for them when politicians attempt to avoid questions by reeling off their off-pat broad answer to the topic in question.

Corbin was frankly embarrassing in his refusal to apologise for the failure to tackle ant--semitism in the party; just saying he personally is against is not good enough. By a man's ACTIONS shall ye know him, not his words.

Likewise, his refusal to even attempt to answer the specific question on how to fund 'compensating' WASPI women when it is not in his 'grey book' of manifesto commitments, and yet is a HUGE bill.

And similarly, his refusal to acknowledge Neil's point that SOME people earning a fraction of £80k WILL pay more tax because of loss of married allowances, and a pensioner on an income of just £14k made up of state pension, a small work pension, and a small investment income will be over £400 worse off...!!

People should not make grand sweeping generalisations without putting in a few caveats!

No doubt the Brillo man will make Boris squirm JUST as much, because - like Jezza - he simply does NOT have a grip on DETAIL. I suspect he will feel sorry for Jo, and give her an easier time...

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I hate rude interviewers, but at the same time I have sympathy for them when politicians attempt to avoid questions by reeling off their off-pat broad answer to the topic in question.

Corbin was frankly embarrassing in his refusal to apologise for the failure to tackle ant--semitism in the party; just saying he personally is against is not good enough. By a man's ACTIONS shall ye know him, not his words.

Likewise, his refusal to even attempt to answer the specific question on how to fund 'compensating' WASPI women when it is not in his 'grey book' of manifesto commitments, and yet is a HUGE bill.

And similarly, his refusal to acknowledge Neil's point that SOME people earning a fraction of £80k WILL pay more tax because of loss of married allowances, and a pensioner on an income of just £14k made up of state pension, a small work pension, and a small investment income will be over £400 worse off...!!

People should not make grand sweeping generalisations without putting in a few caveats!

No doubt the Brillo man will make Boris squirm JUST as much, because - like Jezza - he simply does NOT have a grip on DETAIL. I suspect he will feel sorry for Jo, and give her an easier time...


I thought Jeremy Corbyn was correct in trying to not follow the narrative which Andrew Neil was trying to enforce throughout. Unfortunately for him the question master ask the questions and sets the trend.
I don't believe there is an anti Semitism problem within Labour more an anti Zionist problem.

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Who do you want to take over as Labour leader, Knocker?

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Who do you want to take over as Labour leader, Knocker?


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SilverstoneWolf wrote:
I hate rude interviewers, but at the same time I have sympathy for them when politicians attempt to avoid questions by reeling off their off-pat broad answer to the topic in question.

Corbin was frankly embarrassing in his refusal to apologise for the failure to tackle ant--semitism in the party; just saying he personally is against is not good enough. By a man's ACTIONS shall ye know him, not his words.

Likewise, his refusal to even attempt to answer the specific question on how to fund 'compensating' WASPI women when it is not in his 'grey book' of manifesto commitments, and yet is a HUGE bill.

And similarly, his refusal to acknowledge Neil's point that SOME people earning a fraction of £80k WILL pay more tax because of loss of married allowances, and a pensioner on an income of just £14k made up of state pension, a small work pension, and a small investment income will be over £400 worse off...!!

People should not make grand sweeping generalisations without putting in a few caveats!

No doubt the Brillo man will make Boris squirm JUST as much, because - like Jezza - he simply does NOT have a grip on DETAIL. I suspect he will feel sorry for Jo, and give her an easier time...


I thought Jeremy Corbyn was correct in trying to not follow the narrative which Andrew Neil was trying to enforce throughout. Unfortunately for him the question master ask the questions and sets the trend.
I don't believe there is an anti Semitism problem within Labour more an anti Zionist problem.


I’m not convinced that some of them know the difference and when one of corbyns friends gets it wrong he doesn’t like to upset them by challenging it.


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SilverstoneWolf wrote:
I hate rude interviewers, but at the same time I have sympathy for them when politicians attempt to avoid questions by reeling off their off-pat broad answer to the topic in question.

Corbin was frankly embarrassing in his refusal to apologise for the failure to tackle ant--semitism in the party; just saying he personally is against is not good enough. By a man's ACTIONS shall ye know him, not his words.

Likewise, his refusal to even attempt to answer the specific question on how to fund 'compensating' WASPI women when it is not in his 'grey book' of manifesto commitments, and yet is a HUGE bill.

And similarly, his refusal to acknowledge Neil's point that SOME people earning a fraction of £80k WILL pay more tax because of loss of married allowances, and a pensioner on an income of just £14k made up of state pension, a small work pension, and a small investment income will be over £400 worse off...!!

People should not make grand sweeping generalisations without putting in a few caveats!

No doubt the Brillo man will make Boris squirm JUST as much, because - like Jezza - he simply does NOT have a grip on DETAIL. I suspect he will feel sorry for Jo, and give her an easier time...


I thought Jeremy Corbyn was correct in trying to not follow the narrative which Andrew Neil was trying to enforce throughout. Unfortunately for him the question master ask the questions and sets the trend.
I don't believe there is an anti Semitism problem within Labour more an anti Zionist problem.



The Labour MPs who were forced out of the party were all Zionists ? The constant attacks on British Jews is only to highlight those with Zionist sympathies ? You should be ashamed of yourself. This is why the issue won't go to bed. Labour are in total denial

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SilverstoneWolf wrote:
I hate rude interviewers, but at the same time I have sympathy for them when politicians attempt to avoid questions by reeling off their off-pat broad answer to the topic in question.

Corbin was frankly embarrassing in his refusal to apologise for the failure to tackle ant--semitism in the party; just saying he personally is against is not good enough. By a man's ACTIONS shall ye know him, not his words.

Likewise, his refusal to even attempt to answer the specific question on how to fund 'compensating' WASPI women when it is not in his 'grey book' of manifesto commitments, and yet is a HUGE bill.

And similarly, his refusal to acknowledge Neil's point that SOME people earning a fraction of £80k WILL pay more tax because of loss of married allowances, and a pensioner on an income of just £14k made up of state pension, a small work pension, and a small investment income will be over £400 worse off...!!

People should not make grand sweeping generalisations without putting in a few caveats!

No doubt the Brillo man will make Boris squirm JUST as much, because - like Jezza - he simply does NOT have a grip on DETAIL. I suspect he will feel sorry for Jo, and give her an easier time...


I thought Jeremy Corbyn was correct in trying to not follow the narrative which Andrew Neil was trying to enforce throughout. Unfortunately for him the question master ask the questions and sets the trend.
I don't believe there is an anti Semitism problem within Labour more an anti Zionist problem.



The Labour MPs who were forced out of the party were all Zionists ? The constant attacks on British Jews is only to highlight those with Zionist sympathies ? You should be ashamed of yourself. This is why the issue won't go to bed. Labour are in total denial


I admit to having a problem with successive Israel governments and their land grabbing through military force.
I think they are given an easy ride by US and UK governments, in fact support which creates instability within that region.
I also think the Netanyahu government buys off individual figures mainly political in all parties gaining political favour and influence..

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I shook hands, today, with the only man who could unite Labour and challenge the Tories.
The biggest lost to front line British politics..David Milliband

Wise words today, the biggest challenge facing Labour, is the disbelief of the working classes.

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I admit to having a problem with successive Israel governments and their land grabbing through military force.
I think they are given an easy ride by US and UK governments, in fact support which creates instability within that region.
I also think the Netanyahu government buys off individual figures mainly political in all parties gaining political favour and influence..[/quote]

And I would agree with you. Having a problem with the Israeli government is not anti-semitism.

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I admit to having a problem with successive Israel governments and their land grabbing through military force.
I think they are given an easy ride by US and UK governments, in fact support which creates instability within that region.
I also think the Netanyahu government buys off individual figures mainly political in all parties gaining political favour and influence..


And I would agree with you. Having a problem with the Israeli government is not anti-semitism.[/quote]

Here in is the problem with some groups.

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I admit to having a problem with successive Israel governments and their land grabbing through military force.
I think they are given an easy ride by US and UK governments, in fact support which creates instability within that region.
I also think the Netanyahu government buys off individual figures mainly political in all parties gaining political favour and influence..


And I would agree with you. Having a problem with the Israeli government is not anti-semitism.


Here in is the problem with some groups.[/quote]

I'm afraid you can't say the examples of antisemitism in the Labour Party are anti-Israeli government or even anti-zionist, as that's simply not true.

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I admit to having a problem with successive Israel governments and their land grabbing through military force.
I think they are given an easy ride by US and UK governments, in fact support which creates instability within that region.
I also think the Netanyahu government buys off individual figures mainly political in all parties gaining political favour and influence..


And I would agree with you. Having a problem with the Israeli government is not anti-semitism.


Here in is the problem with some groups.


I'm afraid you can't say the examples of antisemitism in the Labour Party are anti-Israeli government or even anti-zionist, as that's simply not true.[/quote]

I would like to know how much of this is a political tool to bash Jeremy Corbyn who would lead a party that would be harsh on the current Israel government.
For good reasons.

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I would like to know how much of this is a political tool to bash Jeremy Corbyn who would lead a party that would be harsh on the current Israel government.
For good reasons.[/quote]

Labour are well aware of the economic misery their Marxism will bring to the country. Much like the Weimar Republic, they have to have someone ready in the wings to "Blame" for the misery they will cause. Jews fit the bill for Labour in exactly the same way the Nazis lined them up for the fall in Germany.

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I would like to know how much of this is a political tool to bash Jeremy Corbyn who would lead a party that would be harsh on the current Israel government.
For good reasons.


Labour are well aware of the economic misery their Marxism will bring to the country. Much like the Weimar Republic, they have to have someone ready in the wings to "Blame" for the misery they will cause. Jews fit the bill for Labour in exactly the same way the Nazis lined them up for the fall in Germany.[/quote]

Christ that's a left field theory.

I doubt a coalition led by Jeremy Corbyn would be allowed to change much regards level of investment.

Where as a Right wing Tory government leaving the EU would crash the economy for decades.

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I shook hands, today, with the only man who could unite Labour and challenge the Tories.
The biggest lost to front line British politics..David Milliband

Wise words today, the biggest challenge facing Labour, is the disbelief of the working classes.

Still working hard for a lost cause


I met him many years ago (when a junior education minister, when Charles Clarke ws education secretary) and Miliband was incredibly positive and persuasive. Most impressive was his desire to LISTEN to the professionals, and to ascertain if his proposed policies were workable, sensible, and likely to improve the nation's schools. I got home and said "just met the next Labour leader but one."

How wrong I turned out to be. If only the Trade Unions hadn't derailed his bid and put his brother in charge, then I suspect we might have had a few more Labour governments in recent years.

My only concern would be that in talking about the 'disbelief of the working class', he still seems to think there IS a working class. Labour needs to ditch these old ideas of 'poor, ill-educated hard-working working class; reasonably well-off, well educated white collar 9-5 moderately hard-working in nice working conditions middle class; and super-rich, privately educated, bone idle upper class. Such groupings just don't work any more!

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Yeah, It just shows there are more internal battles to be won as we need to remove these Tory lite infiltrators that have plagued our party for a very long time.

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Yeah, It just shows there are more internal battles to be won as we need to remove these Tory lite infiltrators that have plagued our party for a very long time.


I too hope you purge all of your party of these Tory Lite infiltraitors- and leave only true 'socialist' members true to the party- but not for the same reasons as you do.


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Both main parties have had a major purge which may create a gap down the middle for a resurgent Lib Dem party.

The nation by handing the Tories a majority tomorrow are basically giving them a bigger shovel for which to bury themselves.

Within five more years the country will be begging for back to normal politics.

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Both main parties have had a major purge which may create a gap down the middle for a resurgent Lib Dem party.

The nation by handing the Tories a majority tomorrow are basically giving them a bigger shovel for which to bury themselves.

Within five more years the country will be begging for back to normal politics.


Indeed but that would also mean ditching the communist revolution stuff.

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