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 Post subject: Re: Syria
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:02 am 
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Should rules be tightened so that your citizenship is revoked once you join a terrorist organisation?

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 Post subject: Re: Syria
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Should rules be tightened so that your citizenship is revoked once you join a terrorist organisation?


As usual kk British laws already cover such issues it is just that we fail to use them correctly. ISIS is a "Proscribed Organisation" the same as Al Shabbab, Al Queda etc. In fact there are dozens of fundamentalist Islamic organisations regarded as such.

Here is the legislation regarding involvement with a Proscribed Organisation, as you can see it covers all you need to know.

PROSCRIPTION OFFENCES
Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: • belong, or profess to belong, to a proscribed organisation in the UK or overseas (section 11 of the Act); • invite support for a proscribed organisation (and the support is not, or is not restricted to the provision of money or other property) (section 12(1)); • arrange, manage or assist in arranging or managing a meeting in the knowledge that the meeting is to support or further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or is to be addressed by a person who belongs or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation (section 12(2)); or to address a meeting if the purpose of the address is to encourage support for, or further the activities of, a proscribed organisation (section 12(3));and • wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in such circumstances as arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of the proscribed organisation (section 13)

The penalties for proscription offences under sections 11 and 12 are a maximum of 10 years in prison and/or a fine. The maximum penalty for a section 13 offence is 6 months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding £5,000.

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 Post subject: Re: Syria
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Naughty but current, I wonder if Cardiff City could sort her return flight out?

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 Post subject: Re: Syria
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Rozza wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
Should rules be tightened so that your citizenship is revoked once you join a terrorist organisation?


As usual kk British laws already cover such issues it is just that we fail to use them correctly. ISIS is a "Proscribed Organisation" the same as Al Shabbab, Al Queda etc. In fact there are dozens of fundamentalist Islamic organisations regarded as such.

Here is the legislation regarding involvement with a Proscribed Organisation, as you can see it covers all you need to know.

PROSCRIPTION OFFENCES
Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: • belong, or profess to belong, to a proscribed organisation in the UK or overseas (section 11 of the Act); • invite support for a proscribed organisation (and the support is not, or is not restricted to the provision of money or other property) (section 12(1)); • arrange, manage or assist in arranging or managing a meeting in the knowledge that the meeting is to support or further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or is to be addressed by a person who belongs or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation (section 12(2)); or to address a meeting if the purpose of the address is to encourage support for, or further the activities of, a proscribed organisation (section 12(3));and • wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in such circumstances as arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of the proscribed organisation (section 13)

The penalties for proscription offences under sections 11 and 12 are a maximum of 10 years in prison and/or a fine. The maximum penalty for a section 13 offence is 6 months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding £5,000.


Funny isn't it ? In 2008 the law on Treason was due for review, to update it in terms of terrorism and the ISIS threat. Of course this could have led to widening the net to include preachers from the "religion of peace" who were actively encouraging folk like this girl to take up arms against their own country. How very un-PC. The review was quietly dropped.

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 Post subject: Re: Syria
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The British government estimates that around 300 people who fought in Syria and Iraq have returned. But ministers haven't been clear about what will happen to them next.

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suiging wrote:
Rozza wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
Should rules be tightened so that your citizenship is revoked once you join a terrorist organisation?


As usual kk British laws already cover such issues it is just that we fail to use them correctly. ISIS is a "Proscribed Organisation" the same as Al Shabbab, Al Queda etc. In fact there are dozens of fundamentalist Islamic organisations regarded as such.

Here is the legislation regarding involvement with a Proscribed Organisation, as you can see it covers all you need to know.

PROSCRIPTION OFFENCES
Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: • belong, or profess to belong, to a proscribed organisation in the UK or overseas (section 11 of the Act); • invite support for a proscribed organisation (and the support is not, or is not restricted to the provision of money or other property) (section 12(1)); • arrange, manage or assist in arranging or managing a meeting in the knowledge that the meeting is to support or further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or is to be addressed by a person who belongs or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation (section 12(2)); or to address a meeting if the purpose of the address is to encourage support for, or further the activities of, a proscribed organisation (section 12(3));and • wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in such circumstances as arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of the proscribed organisation (section 13)

The penalties for proscription offences under sections 11 and 12 are a maximum of 10 years in prison and/or a fine. The maximum penalty for a section 13 offence is 6 months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding £5,000.


Funny isn't it ? In 2008 the law on Treason was due for review, to update it in terms of terrorism and the ISIS threat. Of course this could have led to widening the net to include preachers from the "religion of peace" who were actively encouraging folk like this girl to take up arms against their own country. How very un-PC. The review was quietly dropped.


yeah I remember that - I think other countries may have a slightly different definition of treason as meaning against the state rather than just against the crown.
There were those that wanted to UK to move to that definition as it related more appropriately to the threat of terrorism.
Im not sure why that couldn't be implemented ...good job for some it wasn't.


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So the Sarin attack attack in Douma never happened and our media and politicians systematically almost lied us in to WWIII, brilliant.

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THE BIG BAD WOLF wrote:
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/02/harper-sst-was-right-there-was-no-douma-sarin-attack-bbc.html

So the Sarin attack attack in Douma never happened and our media and politicians systematically almost lied us in to WWIII, brilliant.


And no doubt it was a band of roaming Jews that killed all the Polish officers in 1939, and another secret Jewish organisation that ran the gulags and the KGB ? And let's not forget my personal favourite, those Jewish tanks that invaded Hungary......

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 Post subject: Re: Syria
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On being told that she was to lose her British citizenship, Ms Begum said " But I've named my son Eeeeee. I was hoping for a council house in Yorkshire ! "

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You normally stand trial in the country you commit a crime in. Begum should stand trial in Syria for all the crimes she has committed in and against their country. This would require normalising relations with the Syrian government, even if the Israelis don't like that it is in the British national interest to do so. The Saudis have been pushing for Syria to be readmitted to the Arab league so no blaming the Saudis please, misdirection.

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Well done Trump, well done Putin. Finally we have reached the end and our troops will also be coming home.

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The West has shamefully betrayed the Kurds who did our dirty work at great cost in defeating ISIS
They were building a state with better values than any other part of Syria
Now they have been forced back into the arms of Assad a war criminal to avoid being massacred by the Turks . Erdogan is using this to deflect from his own declining vote in Turkey
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The West has shamefully betrayed the Kurds who did our dirty work at great cost in defeating ISIS
They were building a state with better values than any other part of Syria
Now they have been forced back into the arms of Assad a war criminal to avoid being massacred by the Turks . Erdogan is using this to deflect from his own declining vote in Turkey
It is a tragedy


And as soon as they have let Assad back in to "help" he will kill any that's left.

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