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 Post subject: Madeleine McCann
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I'm sure that if she was my daughter then, I would want to know what happened to her, but with so many missing people, what makes this young girl so special. The Metropolitan Police are going to start a full blown criminal inquiry (is that not another word for investigation) based on new evidence and new witnesses, but it has or will cost £4.5 Million to the British Taxpayer.

However, for some Met Officers it will mean a few months working in Portugal. Nice work if you can get it.

Strangely enough, I always keep an eye out for her when I see Roma Gypsies in Bulgaria, but my gut feeling is that she is dead although, who really knows except for those directly involved in her abduction.

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The daughter of well connected middle class doctors is what makes her 'special'. Not the same for Ben Needham.


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Almost a year ago since I started this thread and now British and Portuguese Police are digging up parts of nearby scrub-land.

I doubt that they are doing it for the fun of it and obviously working from some information or tip off. Would be nice to get closure and a murderer, but who knows: -

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Always thought , and still do, that it was the parents

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Always thought , and still do, that it was the parents

have said this all along,ok maybe it was a terrible accident but I really think they have got a hand in it and all the rest of the party know the truth.

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Always thought , and still do, that it was the parents

have said this all along,ok maybe it was a terrible accident but I really think they have got a hand in it and all the rest of the party know the truth.


They indeed have a hand in it insofar as they left her unattended - if they didn't do it themselves (re accident) which is summat I felt for a long time but now don't have a real opinion about. They must feel partly culpable to the point of never being able to forgive themselves.

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An item of clothing, believed to be a man's sock, was removed from the scene but is believed to have been ruled out of the investigation.


I have heard on the Grapevine that DNA testing shows it to have been one of Glen Miller's socks. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Madeleine McCann
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This is a mystery that may never be resolved, but my thoughts at the time have not changed. The parents seemed more interested in having a meal and drinks with friends rather than look after their children. A parents main responsibility is the welfare of their children and the McCann's failed in this.

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This is a mystery that may never be resolved, but my thoughts at the time have not changed. The parents seemed more interested in having a meal and drinks with friends rather than look after their children. A parents main responsibility is the welfare of their children and the McCann's failed in this.


Yup, as I suggested above. Gross negligence. Still, who's a perfect parent? I wouldn't be that negligent, though.

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This is a mystery that may never be resolved, but my thoughts at the time have not changed. The parents seemed more interested in having a meal and drinks with friends rather than look after their children. A parents main responsibility is the welfare of their children and the McCann's failed in this.


Yup, as I suggested above. Gross negligence. Still, who's a perfect parent? I wouldn't be that negligent, though.


Indeed. We have two sons and we were far from perfect parents, but when they were young we prioritised them, which meant having to forsake things.

Regarding Madeline, sadly I think she was probably killed on the night she was taken. But apart from their negligence, I am not convinced that her parents played any part in her disappearance.

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I don't have kids of my own, but I panic if one of my 5 dogs goes missing, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't nip down the pub for a pie and a pint and not expect them to be home when I come back to check on them. Let me just qualify that by adding that it is not unusual here for dogs to be poisoned so that some Roma/Gypsy can gain access to your house and steal whatever they can - so it is a double risk. Folks in my village know that I will crucify anyone that touches my dogs and take the consequences, but so far - it has worked.

The world has always been a dangerous place, I'm sure that the McCann's were relaxed enough that their kids were safe - I don't see it any other way. Loads of single Mothers go out clubbing leaving their under-age kids at home and get away with it.

It is easy to criticise, but the same could well have happened to me in their situation.

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British and Portuguese police were due to end their search on Friday but have been given permission to continue into next week.

As well as being granted a seven-day extension at the search site, officers also have permission to investigate two other areas.

The BBC understands officers are due to continue searching the first area until Sunday, when the operation will halt for two days to coincide with a Portuguese national holiday.

Officers are then expected to begin work at the two other areas of interest from Wednesday. Both sites are believed to be in the "Luz area".

On Thursday, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said they were "encouraged" by the progress made by police, in a statement on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page.



They're not telling us much are they - even the BBC are padding out their reports, BUT how do you determine an area of interest in a big fookin field :?:

I used to get sent on fookin long nervous hikes during my time in Northern Ireland coz some Snout had tipped off Special Branch/MI5 who couldn't tell us exactly where the device, weapons, explosives were hidden so as not to compromise their source.

The fookin times I hiked with my boots or Wellington's full of freezing bog water to recover an RPG-7 or 5Ibs of COOP (Commercial Explosive) or Czech Marzipan smelling Semtex I cannot recall. I do remember running away from some over zealous Army Sniffer Labrador who came out of the Hedge with explosives in his mouth wagging his fookin tail why we all ran away and he thought it was a great game - lucky we didn't shoot it, but it turned out to be inert. :lol:

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I don't have kids of my own....


Folk said to me before we had kids that whatever I thought about the way in which they should be brought up my ideas will be different when I eventually had them. And it's true - my ideas did change.

What is odd about the McCanns is that they are both doctors and really should have known better.

I will admit that one night we went directly across the road for dinner for our first night out when our eldest was about 12 months and we took the baby "alarm" with us. We could hear her breathing and whenever she moaned and sounded as if she was stirring, one of us went back across to check - we never did it again. We hardly ever had baby sitters so practically never went out. It's just incredible what the McCanns did. It's summat that you expect from a fair few folk but not them.

There was a case of a couple who went out to the pub and their baby was partly eaten by a fox.

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I don't have kids of my own....


Folk said to me before we had kids that whatever I thought about the way in which they should be brought up my ideas will be different when I eventually had them. And it's true - my ideas did change.

What is odd about the McCanns is that they are both doctors and really should have known better.

I will admit that one night we went directly across the road for dinner for our first night out when our eldest was about 12 months and we took the baby "alarm" with us. We could hear her breathing and whenever she moaned and sounded as if she was stirring, one of us went back across to check - we never did it again. We hardly ever had baby sitters so practically never went out. It's just incredible what the McCanns did. It's summat that you expect from a fair few folk but not them.

There was a case of a couple who went out to the pub and their baby was partly eaten by a fox.


You also have that child that was supposedly taken by a Dingo, in Australia. The other week, we went to Weston Park, and I was with our Joe and Danny, and I turned my back for a second, and Danny had disappeared. I thought he'd run in to the kitchens, and there was a big meat freezer there too, but The Wench appeared, shouted for him, and fortunately he was only round the corner. You don't half feel sick though, and I remember when I lost me Mom in town when I was a kid. I knew where to catch the bus, and made my own way home, climbing over the gate, then through a window, in to the house. God only knows what she must have felt like, before she found me safe and sound. As for the McCann kid, me mukka reckons they'd overdosed her on sleeping medication, and got it all wrong. I'm not so sure, but it's odd that the search continues...

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It would be interesting to know what information the police have that has made them search particular locations. I do wonder if this case will ever be solved.

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Saying the mcanns did it is like saying liverpool fans are still to blame for hillsborough.
I agree about the time and money spent when there are many other missing folks who do not get the same coverage or manpower but they do so I hope they get closure of some kind.
They live everyday not knowing and for any parent that must hell on earth and punishment enough.

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Would they still be using every method available to continue the search for evidence if they played a part in it? I don't think so, and I don't believe that they haven't been seriously looked into as potential culprits either.

Desperately sad story, and no closure for the parents either. I used to sit next to one of the friends who was there on holiday with them, about 4 months after it had happened. She never spoke a word of it naturally, but you could tell she was going through hell, let alone what the parents must have been feeling.

You never really know how they felt leaving the kids, did their friends convince them all would be fine? They were only about 50 metres from the hotel room.

Being a dog owner though, I can never understand people who leave their dog tied to a lamppost while they do their shopping either.. So perhaps until I have kids if my own, I will not know how negligent their actions really were.


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Nothing of significance found, but perhaps they weren't looking for a body, but some other piece of evidence. :idea:

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There must be another link to this subject somewhere else as I went off on a link provided and spent 14 or more hours watching this:-

http://www.madeleinefilms.net/page1.php

Now, there are lots of ''expert'' theories in those clips from Cadaver/Blood dogs through to a very interesting video made by Peter Hyatt a Statement Analyst. I am now of the opinion that Maddie died in the McCann's Holiday apartment days before the reported abduction however, as much as I love a good conspiracy theory, I cannot find any logical conclusions as to why there so much high level support to the McCann's in the form of Tony Blair's Press Maistro, Gordon Brown when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer and later as PM. Added to that the alleged involvement of MI5/6, Scotland Yard, Control Risks Group, Retired former Senior Police Detectives, a rogue Spanish Investigation Company and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all, WTF are they or were they, trying to hide?

Again, theories abound, but I can only suspect two have any credence and those are, something to do with the McCann's connections through family and their profession as Doctors with the Pharmaceutical company, AstraZeneca and possible testing of sleeping concoctions for children. Secondly, some high level Peadophile ring that the British Establishment wouldn't want exposed.

Having watched all of that link plus read a fair amount on website dedicated to exposing the ''so called truth''. I can find nothing about any research into where a body might have been hidden. The Portuguese Police Officer who was initially in charge of the case and incidentally, has recently won his Court case (the third) at the highest level in Portugal as the Defendant against the McCann's claims for damages; has stated that Madeleine's body could be hidden in one of 600 remote Wells in the area.

Even though Gerry McCann and a possibly linked accomplish, (who was initially a Translator for the Portuguese Police investigation and then, later a suspect in the abduction case or, PATSY are both known to have switched off (and back on) their respective mobile telephones at more or less the same times, perhaps ought to be looked into a little more closely. I don't know what the technology was like back in 2007, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the likes of GCHQ could locate such even if switched off and both mobiles were most probably from a UK provider and on roaming. Why is it that there appears to be little open source information into time and motion research of their possible movement's during this off air period - what were the start and return mileages on their Hire car etc. Too many questions perhaps not available to Joe Public do not appear to have been asked?

I know that there is a bloody big Ocean out there, but for that, you'd need to hire a boat or, at least know someone who can provide one. Other Press reports speculate that Madeline was cremated in the coffin of some old Lady, but where does that theory spring from and do you walk about with a child in a suitcase looking for a suitable coffin to secrete her in..... If a cadaver dog can INDICATE traces where a body has been and Blood dog and INDICATE minute traces of blood then, why haven't they been sent off to check Wells, Caves and what have you.

The amount of money received in donations for the Find Madeleine cause has been substantial to say the least, but it has proved nothing for or against the disappearance of Madeleine, but used in legal cases as both defendant and plaintiff and wasted on Investigations by individuals and organisations (some of which are now behind bars). If there was so much covert/overt help and advice given to the McCanns from such elevated positions within the British Government, its Law Enforcement agencies and the Media then, why weren't they steered to use the donations wisely in the search for Madeleine or, perhaps what happened is exactly what they wanted to happen.

I've enjoyed my past few days and nights playing Sleuth, but I am none the wiser about what really happened albeit, IF asked my opinion now, I would answer that Madeleine died in the McCann's holiday apartment days before the abduction was reported and that her body has been secreted away somewhere unlikely ever to be discovered intact or in skeletal form albeit, there is no harm in trying to find out where and any circumstantial evidence to support it. :roll:

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Very in depth sleuthing there, Moscow, I have also read and watched all the info on richplanet.net and it is all very enlightening but without a definite , proven conclusion. I, too believe she died in the apartment. The two dogs in the film make that a high probability. That the Govt is chucking more money at it makes you wonder who is covering things up to prevent embarrassment somewhere in high places.... :roll:

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Very in depth sleuthing there, Moscow, I have also read and watched all the info on richplanet.net and it is all very enlightening but without a definite , proven conclusion. I, too believe she died in the apartment. The two dogs in the film make that a high probability. That the Govt is chucking more money at it makes you wonder who is covering things up to prevent embarrassment somewhere in high places.... :roll:


I suspect Dean Saunders had something to do with it as the case leaves a trail of fook ups. :wink: :roll: :lol:

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Have the McCann's taken lie detector tests?

I often wonder if they would agree to being questioned under hypnosis or after an injection of the truth serum Sodium Pentothal? Maybe this is the only way they can clear up any suspicions upon their characters.

Even if they are totally innocent they may disclose a piece of evidence as yet undiscovered.

If they want this investigation to continue maybe this could be a stipulation.

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Have the McCann's taken lie detector tests?

I often wonder if they would agree to being questioned under hypnosis or after an injection of the truth serum Sodium Pentothal? Maybe this is the only way they can clear up any suspicions upon their characters.

Even if they are totally innocent they may disclose a piece of evidence as yet undiscovered.

If they want this investigation to continue maybe this could be a stipulation.


Apparently no ..no they haven't...Im sure someone on here will let me know if thats not the case- anyway why would they need to as they aren't 100% anyway.


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Have the McCann's taken lie detector tests?

I often wonder if they would agree to being questioned under hypnosis or after an injection of the truth serum Sodium Pentothal? Maybe this is the only way they can clear up any suspicions upon their characters.

Even if they are totally innocent they may disclose a piece of evidence as yet undiscovered.

If they want this investigation to continue maybe this could be a stipulation.


Apparently no ..no they haven't...Im sure someone on here will let me know if thats not the case- anyway why would they need to as they aren't 100% anyway.



Having dabbled in policing for over thirty years, there was one constant which I found to be true. I'm sure Roz may have come across the same theory in his time, a theory which is the mainstay of criminology.....Shit happens.

It is perfectly possible this little girls was taken by a person(s) so skilled that they left no trace. It is perfectly possible she wandered a matter of meters away and fell into a hole no one has found. It is perfectly possible her parents know nothing about her disappearance

All possible. Now probable is a totally different matter.......init.

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I'm still reading up on the matter and have recently discovered that under English Law the 15 DNA Points from 19 (that might not be the right terminology, but it'll do), they could/would have been arrested. However, Portuguese Law requires all 19 matches.

How do you explain away DNA blood samples proven to be those of Madeleine from under the window of their holiday apartment and in the baggage compartment of their hire car. The same places where the cadaver and blood dogs separately showed indications of a body and blood. :idea:

The McCanns have tried all excuses which are all proven to be false, such as:- she had a nosebleed or a cut on her knee. Yeah, so much blood that it left traces under the floor tiles. The traces in the hire car were from her soiled Nappies. Not possible and they hired the car two weeks after she went missing (I think). WHY wash all of the girl's clothes and bed linen and then have to return to the UK two weeks later to get something that the Portuguese Police could use for DNA. Just look at the size of the pyjamas they showed saying that she disappeared in an identical pair and that those shown belonged to her younger sister who was just a baby.

They said they would undergo a Lie Detector test and then, backtracked on that too. I agree that shit happens and I am not suggesting that they killed her, but I am of the opinion that they know far far more than they're letting on whilst still expecting donations to keep their legal cases and the case funded.

The circumstantial evidence far outweighs anything else offered in balance and the witness statements change with the weather.

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 Post subject: Re: Madeleine McCann
 Post Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:32 pm 
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The McCanns were, and are still, a solid and rigid family unit. Their relationship has had no hiccups or revelations since the events.
Those simple things alone speak volumes for their commitments to each other in their fight to understand what happened.
Having investigated, to some degree or another, the best part of 40 odd murders in my time in the job, the McCanns would have capitulated to the event by now.

Their enduring pain circumvents the scrutiny of pseudo sleuths over the years in my book, leave em be, because whatever punishment that the state could purvey upon them pales into insignificance when considering the abject misery that they have already absorbed in their lives.

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