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I see no reason why any nation should be ruled by another especially nations with such a political divide.


Might explain the IRA, but only part of it?

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I see no reason why any nation should be ruled by another especially nations with such a political divide.


Might explain the IRA, but only part of it?


You could look at the continued problems in the middle east when the British and French decided to divvie up that region creating Sunni and Shiite conflicts.

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I see no reason why any nation should be ruled by another especially nations with such a political divide.


Might explain the IRA, but only part of it?


You could look at the continued problems in the middle east when the British and French decided to divvie up that region creating Sunni and Shiite conflicts.


Or you could argue that if they hadn't there would now be one big fuck off Sunni state and one big fuck off Shia state armed to the teeth going at it hammer and tongs now....now that'd be really scary!


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It would be interesting to see two political opposites side by side looking at their respective developments over the next century.

Scotland following the socialist model of mainland Europe while England tries to mirror America.

If I was a youth living within England I would relocate to Glasgow looking for Socialist principles rather than accept whats happening within England and Wales.

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It would be interesting to see two political opposites side by side looking at their respective developments over the next century.

Scotland following the socialist model of mainland Europe while England tries to mirror America.

If I was a youth living within England I would relocate to Glasgow looking for Socialist principles rather than accept whats happening within England and Wales.



What's youth got to do with it ? Principles are principles. I'll help you pack.....

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knocker knowles wrote:
It would be interesting to see two political opposites side by side looking at their respective developments over the next century.

Scotland following the socialist model of mainland Europe while England tries to mirror America.

If I was a youth living within England I would relocate to Glasgow looking for Socialist principles rather than accept whats happening within England and Wales.



What's youth got to do with it ? Principles are principles. I'll help you pack.....



Truth is without family commitments I would have been gone years ago. Already most of my family has relocated to OZ. 70% of them
But you always get some stubborn members who want to stay, thankyou my Daughter.

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It would be interesting to see two political opposites side by side looking at their respective developments over the next century.

Scotland following the socialist model of mainland Europe while England tries to mirror America.

If I was a youth living within England I would relocate to Glasgow looking for Socialist principles rather than accept whats happening within England and Wales.



What's youth got to do with it ? Principles are principles. I'll help you pack.....



Truth is without family commitments I would have been gone years ago. Already most of my family has relocated to OZ. 70% of them
But you always get some stubborn members who want to stay, thankyou my Daughter.


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Didn't take long for the decision about "process" to quickly show it's true political colours.

If the decision stands, Ms May will have to share her bottom line with parliament. The Junkers will of course use that as their start point and attempt to blackmail our nation ( yes it still is...just) into accepting a totally untenable solution to the people of this country's position. A position, so simply illustrated by their democratic vote in the parliamentary approved referendum. Never forget, the "Junker" position, is one much loved by the likes of Blair and the Kinnock family which will continue to leave them and their fellow Eurocrats wallowing in the money while you try to get your kid in an inner city primary school who's ethnic quota for Caucasians is already full with fast track Albanians.

Jeremy, bless him, has now come out and said that his Labour Party ( that's the one who's constituents clearly vote leave) will oppose the will of the people unless he gets what he wants out of the deal. This siding with obvious Blairites, is a bit of a turn up for the books, but hey, he is self-serving despot, so I suppose if that's fine with Dianne and the editorial staff of the Communist Worker, the poor inner city, Labour loyalist, will just have to grin and bare it.

The irony is of course that Royal Prerogative was used in 1972 to sign us up for this mess. That long Dusty signature, then purely about trade, has led the way for the domination by European Parliament decrees on every subject from the naming of apples, to the acceptance of French farmers rights to burn British produce because they feel like it.

Anyone who feels that the will of the British people should stand above elitist self-interest, is a racist, uneducated lout. They most certainly should not be listened to, and their desires as expressed by the process of National Referendum should be given as much weight as decreed by Brazilian fund managers and their plethora of Blair Chambered lawyers.

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The deal to leave the EU will effect this country for the next 50+ years. Do you really want that to be made by 1 person? (May) and a few idiotic cronies, like David Davis, with no oversight whatsoever?

Anyway. Wasn't this whole thing about giving more power back to the UK parliament?


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The deal to leave the EU will effect this country for the next 50+ years. Do you really want that to be made by 1 person? (May) and a few idiotic cronies, like David Davis, with no oversight whatsoever?

Anyway. Wasn't this whole thing about giving more power back to the UK parliament?


Exactly

And with the looming danger of reverting to WTO trade rules in the absence of any agreement, I don't see a tactical advantage in either side playing hard ball

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Do you believe this has been brought about for the greater good ?

When May enters the room to get the best possible deal she can for this country, sent to that room by the will of the majority, she will be faced by detractors not hampered by having their strategies and positions aired and debated to the n'th degree in their respective parliaments before being air dried and ridiculed in the European press.

This was brought about in the hope it will make her position untenable, enabling self-serving Eurocrats one last push for another tilt at the windmill. The self same scrum who voted for the referendum, but refuse to believe that they and their superior friends did not get their way, will not stop until black becomes white and out actually means in.

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

The judges aren't 'enemies of the people' as some papers idiotically called them (and let's not ignore the horrible homophobia by the Daily Mail in doing so). They just clarified what the law already states. Whether that's for the best or not is irrelevant.

Brexit will happen. No ones going to be stupid enough to vote against it. People who voted leave can chill out. But no one says voting leave means we have no say in how we leave. It just seems to me that some people have such a blood lust over leaving the EU they have no concerns whatsoever about the consequences or the damage it will do to this country. A very selfish and scary POV imo.


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What the Tories will do because they have never given a fuck about 95% of the population is get a separate deal for Financial services.

When the country then turns to shit street they will just blame that on the voters wishers at the referendum.

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

The judges aren't 'enemies of the people' as some papers idiotically called them (and let's not ignore the horrible homophobia by the Daily Mail in doing so). They just clarified what the law already states. Whether that's for the best or not is irrelevant.

Brexit will happen. No ones going to be stupid enough to vote against it. People who voted leave can chill out. But no one says voting leave means we have no say in how we leave. It just seems to me that some people have such a blood lust over leaving the EU they have no concerns whatsoever about the consequences or the damage it will do to this country. A very selfish and scary POV imo.


I simply don't see the benefits to this country of sending a Prime Minister to play games of poker with the European Junkers tethered with the proviso that she has to reveal her cards to them at the start of every game. You have no doubt played poker: who do you think will win ?

If you consider this to be the best way of entering negotiations that will define the economic prosperity of your country for many years to come, please explain ?

Edited to add- please don't role out the old " we shouldn't be in the game to start with speech." Parliament voted 6-1 to allow the people to decide if the game should be played. The people democratically made their decision..

Sorry edited again. It is in the interests of certain European countries to ensure a hard exit for the UK. They are scared stiff that not only other countries will follow, but it may give impetus to separatist entities within there sphere of influence, Basques, Walloons, and the like. In addition, extremist elements within their own boundaries ...the far right in France and Germany etc etc will need to be appeased. This will be balanced by their own self-serving business interests, all of the above "hidden" agendas to the negotiations.

As it stands now the only fools entering the game naked and with all their parts blowing in the wind will be us......again.

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Spring 1944.

Hi Adolf, it's me Winston. How's the spring weather treating you ? I know we haven't spoken for a while but some Brazilian fund manager has got a ruling through the Courts that I have to tell you everything.

What ? Yep I know crazy. Sure i'd like to string her up but can't mate, we're not quite like you lot over there.

Anyway, just to let you know in June we'll be popping over with our Yank friends for a visit. Don't get fooled by the Calais nonsense, sadly I'm now obliged to tell you everything, so Normandy it is.

Yep, you'll take us to the cleaners. Can't be helped the Brazilian and her Bangladeshi backers have me by the nuts so I'll give you a tinkle next week with numbers and how we plan to do it. Oh come on stop laughing.....please.....

Bye for now mate, yep you'll be in charge here soon enough. What colour would you like me to paint your office ?

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We're in the consolation prize era of post-imperial national life

I read that line in an article a while back and it stuck with me - I can see it becoming more and more apparent over the coming years as this divorce is finalised

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What the Tories will do because they have never given a fuck about 95% of the population is get a separate deal for Financial services.

When the country then turns to shit street they will just blame that on the voters wishers at the referendum.


As long as the drawbridge is raised I really don't think the brexiteers will mind

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What the Tories will do because they have never given a fuck about 95% of the population is get a separate deal for Financial services.

When the country then turns to shit street they will just blame that on the voters wishers at the referendum.


As long as the drawbridge is raised I really don't think the brexiteers will mind


Mate. Wanting to exit the EU for many is not about becoming isolationist, far from it. Open trading with the world on our own terms ( including Europe ) is a dream some have had since the 1972 debacle slammed the door firmly shut. Immigration into the UK is and will remain, a crucial element of a modern state. It would just be nice to have the sovereign right to choose who comes in and who does not. As for the "silver haired" in Spain and the like, they will have no worries. Their money keeps many communities afloat in winter and no Government is going to cut it's own throat for the sake of a German's sensibilities. You may have to stand in a longer queue on the way in, but it will be worth it in the end, as "in" you will certainly be.

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The deal to leave the EU will effect this country for the next 50+ years. Do you really want that to be made by 1 person? (May) and a few idiotic cronies, like David Davis, with no oversight whatsoever?

Anyway. Wasn't this whole thing about giving more power back to the UK parliament?


To expect the incumbent government to divulge their strategy and to have to agree everything with all and sundry with vested interests ,will lead to abject failure.

Maybe thats what the pious want ...the capabilty to say ...."told ya so".


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If you had all voted remain as the government wanted then, non of this time wasting shit would have occurred.

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Hints of the triple lock on pensions ending. Would the Tories have the balls to turn on their biggest voter base?


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If any government was really serious about immigration they would curb those arriving from Commonwealth countries.
What they say and what they do shows they just dont give a shit.

Cut the immigration from the Commonwealth making free movement in Europe more acceptable.

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If any government was really serious about immigration they would curb those arriving from Commonwealth countries.
What they say and what they do shows they just dont give a shit.

Cut the immigration from the Commonwealth making free movement in Europe more acceptable.


Totally disagree mate. It's not where someone comes from that counts, It's the skills and worth they bring to the country. Having the Nation able to choose on an objective basis who comes in, is sorta the whole point of the exercise. ( I know you're bored and fishing, couldn't help myself)

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Well todays the day the UK starts the leave process.

What do you hope for, what are your key aims and what are your key doubts?

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Well todays the day the UK starts the leave process.

What do you hope for, what are your key aims and what are your key doubts?


That in my lifetime we attain the moral code and business drive and the independence and pride of country and work ethic that Japan has.

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Well todays the day the UK starts the leave process.

What do you hope for, what are your key aims and what are your key doubts?


That in my lifetime we attain the moral code and business drive and the independence and pride of country and work ethic that Japan has.


Good point.

I long for the day when you can say overseas that you're British, without a smirk from a passer-by, or the feeling that you have to make some self-effacing joke at the end of the sentence.

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Well todays the day the UK starts the leave process.

What do you hope for, what are your key aims and what are your key doubts?


To begin with, I hope that Mrs May & co don't let our EU cousins shaft us, and we are able to to continue to trade with said cousins, in a positive manner.

I hope that I can still go on holiday in the EU, without getting shafted!

i hope the value of sterling stabilises, and begins to strenghten, as I ay paid for this year's EU holiday yet!

I worry for my children, and their future, but hope that our country, The UK, or what's left of it, builds strong trade relations, going forward, with the likes of South America, USA, Australia, China, India, etc, and we can thrive as a nation, once more.

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I see no reason why any nation should be ruled by another especially nations with such a political divide.


Might explain the IRA, but only part of it?


The Unionist "freedom fighters" if unification would have been achieved, ( over the Republics dead body in the seventies and eighties) would have made paddy PIRA look like the Girl Guides.

Demographics and religious attitudes to contraception have narrowed the gap. Followers of the Unionist parties are on the verge of losing their democratic majority. Only just, and only now. The folk of the Shankill are arming themselves appropriately. They have been for years.

Brexit and border issues will fan the flames, flames which have never gone down, merely suppressed .....a bit.

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