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Author:  SELWolf [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:48 pm ]
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Left back wrote:
Absolutely crystal Moscow.

I see Boris is not standing for PM now. I guess his plan will be to let someone else deal with the impossible mess he has helped create and then he can step in later when the worst is over and Cameron's successor has been publically assassinated.


You are both spot on.

Author:  CANNOCK WOLF [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:27 am ]
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Cameron had no need to call a referendum, he started to panic, the vote was a vote on immigration.
Boris has ripped the Tories apart, and Corbyn is doing the same to Labour, who does not have the support required, and will never be accepted by his peers and the public.
The Chillcott report next week, will determine Blair's legacy, and Cameron's legacy will be losing the referendum.

These people are "professionals" and both parties Blue or Red, should feel ashamed..they have let us all down

Author:  knocker knowles [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:43 am ]
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Tories these past few days have been stabbing each other in the back, IN PRIVATE, away from the public eye.
But people chatter.
SOAP.
This weekend dont be surprised to find out Boris was about to ditch Gove in an attempt to sign up Gideon.

Who in turn seeks favours from May. And god knows who she does favours too, maybe the lot of them.

Author:  kenbarlowsslippers [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:47 am ]
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Boris had no choice as his vote was now split and if Gove never made it through he would have made sure the votes didn't go to Boris.Johnson didn't do all this referendum lark to not end up as PM and so to say he bottled it is wrong imo.
All this just enforces what shady,backstabbing and untrustworthy people politicians are and what lengths they go to for their career and power.They still don't get why we don't trust a word they say ffs and we keep hearing how they need to regain the trust of voters :mrgreen:
The vote for "out" shows what would happen if "none of the above" were to appear on ballot papers for elections...bar the young who the politicians know are easily frightened and can still control.

Author:  SELWolf [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:23 am ]
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CANNOCK WOLF wrote:
Cameron had no need to call a referendum, he started to panic, the vote was a vote on immigration.
Boris has ripped the Tories apart, and Corbyn is doing the same to Labour, who does not have the support required, and will never be accepted by his peers and the public.
The Chillcott report next week, will determine Blair's legacy, and Cameron's legacy will be losing the referendum.

These people are "professionals" and both parties Blue or Red, should feel ashamed..they have let us all down



kenbarlowsslippers wrote:
Johnson didn't do all this referendum lark to not end up as PM and so to say he bottled it is wrong imo.
All this just enforces what shady, backstabbing and untrustworthy people politicians are and what lengths they go to for their career and power. They still don't get why we don't trust a word they say ffs and we keep hearing how they need to regain the trust of voters :mrgreen:


That's how I see it as well.

I know this guy (a Brexit builder and a lot bigger than me :oops: ) who I was chatting to at work yesterday and his friendly chat turned a bit nasty as he lost his temper with the way I saw how events had unfolded and how it was going to end up. I told him that Boris couldn't possibly now be the new Tory PM which he almost violently (literally) disagreed with. Anyhow, it eventually simmered down and then later in the afternoon after checkking the 'net he sheepishly told me about Boris's withdrawal. He also irately disagreed with me last week that Cameron couldn't stay if Brexit won which he got angry about...so I reminded him about that as well - smug git as I am. :mrgreen:

Author:  CANNOCK WOLF [ Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:54 pm ]
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It could be a masterstroke by May..Boris, Davis & Fox all now have to sort out the mess they got us into...

Author:  SilverstoneWolf [ Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:47 pm ]
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So why didn't she add Gove to the pot? After all, she despises him most after their very public spats over measures he believed she was 'soft on' regarding the impact of terror groups on school.

Gove is certainly a dangerous person to have behind you in the back benches - not because 'he'll stab you in the back', but because he is a supremely clever man who can win almost any debate. I suspect he will return - and not too long away (once some of the promoted ones are seen to be inadequate).

Author:  SpaceMonkey [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:20 am ]
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I've changed my mind about Brexit.

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/mrs- ... ter-brexit


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  Rozza [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:13 am ]
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SpaceMonkey wrote:


Out of darkness cometh.....

Author:  davejonesears [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:12 pm ]
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SpaceMonkey wrote:


now that IS funny- made me laugh out loud anyway ....
your comment I hasten to add - not the movie - I've never seen such a load of feckin shiiiitttee!!!

Author:  SpaceMonkey [ Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:47 pm ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... CMP=twt_gu

Post-Brexit. Where foreigners can't be trusted. I guess we should be happy it's only 'foreign experts' and not 'all experts'. Sad.

Author:  SpaceMonkey [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:51 pm ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... CMP=twt_gu

Nothing to worry about there then!

Author:  davejonesears [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:17 pm ]
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SpaceMonkey wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/11/norway-rejects-uk-request-for-joint-trade-taskforce-report-eea-eu?CMP=twt_gu

Nothing to worry about there then!


Not sure what you mean there,but if you cant see that this is the underlying issue with the EU then you need to look harder.

Author:  SpaceMonkey [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:08 pm ]
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davejonesears wrote:
SpaceMonkey wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/11/norway-rejects-uk-request-for-joint-trade-taskforce-report-eea-eu?CMP=twt_gu

Nothing to worry about there then!


Not sure what you mean there,but if you cant see that this is the underlying issue with the EU then you need to look harder.


No. This is the future. The EU is as big, if not bigger than the likes of the USA and China and can use that to it's advantages when it comes to trade deals. The UK in comparison is small and has less pull, which has been shown here with Norway and with Australia.

Why should Norway harm itself to let the UK have a better deal? Why would any country favour the smaller UK over the bigger EU when it comes to trade? Get use to it.

Author:  davejonesears [ Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:35 pm ]
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SpaceMonkey wrote:
davejonesears wrote:
SpaceMonkey wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/11/norway-rejects-uk-request-for-joint-trade-taskforce-report-eea-eu?CMP=twt_gu

Nothing to worry about there then!


Not sure what you mean there,but if you cant see that this is the underlying issue with the EU then you need to look harder.


No. This is the future. The EU is as big, if not bigger than the likes of the USA and China and can use that to it's advantages when it comes to trade deals. The UK in comparison is small and has less pull, which has been shown here with Norway and with Australia.

Why should Norway harm itself to let the UK have a better deal? Why would any country favour the smaller UK over the bigger EU when it comes to trade? Get use to it.


thats cobblers.

Author:  knocker knowles [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:44 am ]
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The Single Market refers to the EU as one territory without any internal borders or other regulatory obstacles to the free movement of goods and services. A functioning Single Market stimulates competition and trade, improves efficiency, raises quality, and helps cut prices.

I believe the Conservative party said in their manifesto they would stay within the single market.

I dont believe the British people voted to leave the single market so during Brexit negotiations they should be made aware if this is a possibility.

That for me is Conservatives playing political games rather than doing whats best for the country.

Author:  SpaceMonkey [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:20 pm ]
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davejonesears wrote:

thats cobblers.


http://uk.businessinsider.com/charts-eu ... -us-2015-6

Author:  Ironfistedmonk [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:50 pm ]
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The EU is shit, China, Brazil, India and the USA are the biggest economies, the EU is a disparate group of nations trying to cling on to relevance in the modern world.

Author:  SpaceMonkey [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:19 pm ]
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Ironfistedmonk wrote:
The EU is shit, China, Brazil, India and the USA are the biggest economies, the EU is a disparate group of nations trying to cling on to relevance in the modern world.


I'm talking about power when doing trade deals. When the EU has a trade deal it is effectively acting as one country. A country which is the biggest in the world and therefore can leverage that in their own favour. Much more than the UK can/will do going it alone. If you'd like to argue that then show me some facts to show I'm talking BS?

Author:  knocker knowles [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:22 am ]
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SpaceMonkey wrote:
Ironfistedmonk wrote:
The EU is shit, China, Brazil, India and the USA are the biggest economies, the EU is a disparate group of nations trying to cling on to relevance in the modern world.


I'm talking about power when doing trade deals. When the EU has a trade deal it is effectively acting as one country. A country which is the biggest in the world and therefore can leverage that in their own favour. Much more than the UK can/will do going it alone. If you'd like to argue that then show me some facts to show I'm talking BS?


The key obstacle to the EU creating a unified Europe seems to be the single currency.

You have one massive manufacturing power house Germany, then a country that stays silent but is massively over-subsidised France, bought off.
the others Southern Europe struggling because they cant create growth from a next to nothing base because the single currency renders them uncompetitive.
So they live off hand outs from Germany, investors and banks propped up by multi national companies.
When Germany loses its industrial strength what then for the European Union because Germans will get fed up of paying the international tab.

Author:  Ironfistedmonk [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:45 am ]
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SpaceMonkey wrote:
Ironfistedmonk wrote:
The EU is shit, China, Brazil, India and the USA are the biggest economies, the EU is a disparate group of nations trying to cling on to relevance in the modern world.


I'm talking about power when doing trade deals. When the EU has a trade deal it is effectively acting as one country. A country which is the biggest in the world and therefore can leverage that in their own favour. Much more than the UK can/will do going it alone. If you'd like to argue that then show me some facts to show I'm talking BS?


China's population is greater than that of the EU so how is it the biggest in the world? We have been part of the EU for decades and our manufacturing has gone down the toilet, how have these trade deals benefitted our exports then?

Author:  davejonesears [ Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:56 pm ]
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Id tell her she has until february to sort another vote out....as Im sick of fcking listening to her tbh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37747995

Author:  suiging [ Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:27 pm ]
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davejonesears wrote:
Id tell her she has until february to sort another vote out....as Im sick of fcking listening to her tbh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37747995


She does not have the right to call one. Simply tell her to fuck off

Author:  Rozza [ Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:51 pm ]
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davejonesears wrote:
Id tell her she has until february to sort another vote out....as Im sick of fcking listening to her tbh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37747995


She is a pain in the bollocks, a residual and droning crusader for a cause no one gives a shit about, apart from people ensuring their narrow political futures.

Author:  knocker knowles [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:54 am ]
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I thought when the Scots had their referendum one of the key points being hammered home was that within a United Kingdom there would be access to the single market in the EU.

With the Scots voting overwhelmingly to stay in Europe its no surprise they again raise serious questions about how their voice is represented by Westminster.

I see no reason why Scotland shouldn't once again voter for independence due to England reneging on key promises.

Author:  suiging [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:03 am ]
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knocker knowles wrote:
I thought when the Scots had their referendum one of the key points being hammered home was that within a United Kingdom there would be access to the single market in the EU.

With the Scots voting overwhelmingly to stay in Europe its no surprise they again raise serious questions about how their voice is represented by Westminster.

I see no reason why Scotland shouldn't once again voter for independence due to England reneging on key promises.


Not sure your messiah would agree there Knocker. Without the forlorn hope that Sweatyland will return to his fold, he best take a spade and start digging.

Author:  suiging [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:08 am ]
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knocker knowles wrote:
I thought when the Scots had their referendum one of the key points being hammered home was that within a United Kingdom there would be access to the single market in the EU.

With the Scots voting overwhelmingly to stay in Europe its no surprise they again raise serious questions about how their voice is represented by Westminster.

I see no reason why Scotland shouldn't once again voter for independence due to England reneging on key promises.


As the mythical North Sea oil bonanza is drying up fast, when can the English get a vote to rid us of them......?

Author:  davejonesears [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:20 pm ]
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knocker knowles wrote:
I thought when the Scots had their referendum one of the key points being hammered home was that within a United Kingdom there would be access to the single market in the EU.

With the Scots voting overwhelmingly to stay in Europe its no surprise they again raise serious questions about how their voice is represented by Westminster.

I see no reason why Scotland shouldn't once again voter for independence due to England reneging on key promises.


What are you on about ?? The UK made no promIses about the referendum did it?

They voted to stay in the UK and the UK voted to leave the EU
I fail to see what the problem is....but as I say let them vote now before we set our stall out ...not after...lets see who blinks first.

Oh and the EU wouldnt automatically let them back in anyway ..there would be a couple of EU countrtes that would veto that.

but hey lets not let that bother them ...let em carry on believing .

Author:  knocker knowles [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:27 am ]
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I see no reason why any nation should be ruled by another especially nations with such a political divide.

Author:  davejonesears [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:31 pm ]
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knocker knowles wrote:
I see no reason why any nation should be ruled by another especially nations with such a political divide.


Not that great a political divide as the majority wanted it .As a sociliast dont you respect that?

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