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Has there ever been a government that grossly miss represents statistics and bends them with manipulated rhetoric.

From the NHS under funding through to the numbers of School teachers I've never heard such rubbish from a Prime Minister and his front bench.

Its beyond satire, these guys should be hanged for treason against the people they were elected to serve.

Meanwhile ALL front line services are falling apart. Who votes in these chancers.


Yes Blair set the benchmark which everyone now tries to emulate Kk.


You beat me to it KBS. Blair and his cronies were the ultimate misrepresentation manipulators.


Dont be silly throwing the Blair card in the ring because you lose out on the who's the biggest bastard of all time card when our side throw in the Thatcher ( spit ) card.
Fuckin childish in the extreme.
Lets examine policy rather than personality.

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How did my MP vote on cuts to ESA disability benefit?

Benefit cuts docking £30 a week from the sick and disabled are ping-ponging between the Commons and the Lords as Tory MPs repeatedly vote them through.

Iain Duncan Smith claims peers' continued fears about the impact on the sick are an "abuse of Parliamentary process".

Labour was whipped to oppose the cuts and the Tories were whipped in favour, which means the vast majority of MPs followed the party line.

All 309 pro-cuts votes came from the Tories. Not one MP from any other party supported ESA cuts.

At least one of the Tories turned up to vote wearing a full dinner suit.

Another 16 Tories including David Cameron abstained, and three rebelled to vote no.

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Dont be silly throwing the Blair card in the ring because you lose out on the who's the biggest bastard of all time card when our side throw in the Thatcher ( spit ) card.
Fuckin childish in the extreme.
Lets examine policy rather than personality.


let's just have a look at what you said:

"Has there ever been a government that grossly misrepresents statistics and bends them with manipulated rhetoric."

My fuckin childish answer to this was to say "Blair's government" . Bastard that Thatcher might have been, I believe that she was far more transparent about her beliefs and actions than the slimy Blair and cronies.

I think you need to look at your own logic at times and don't try to change things to suit. I often have some sympathy with your sentiments but you present them in such a one eyed way that I find myself looking at the counter evidence which you have ignored. Just my fuckin childish opinion of course.

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How did my MP vote on cuts to ESA disability benefit?

Benefit cuts docking £30 a week from the sick and disabled are ping-ponging between the Commons and the Lords as Tory MPs repeatedly vote them through.

Iain Duncan Smith claims peers' continued fears about the impact on the sick are an "abuse of Parliamentary process".

Labour was whipped to oppose the cuts and the Tories were whipped in favour, which means the vast majority of MPs followed the party line.

All 309 pro-cuts votes came from the Tories. Not one MP from any other party supported ESA cuts.

At least one of the Tories turned up to vote wearing a full dinner suit.

Another 16 Tories including David Cameron abstained, and three rebelled to vote no.


KK you are so much like Tony Blair,a man who avoids difficult questions posed and as TB once said "i'll answer it in my own way" and as Paxman said but that isn't the question i asked :lol:
That left Blair open to ridicule as it does yourself KK :wink:

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That makes a lot of sense.


I'm sure you think they always do


There you go again, :roll: Google "projection".

I haven't a clue what you're getting at because I'm not going to think about what you might think that I'm thinking. :smt017

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These are the important questions the Tory front bench are refusing to answer.


Cabinet members have been showing “an arrogant disregard for democracy” by refusing to turn up to answer urgent questions, leading to questions being raised as to whether they are trying to avoid difficult debates.

MPs are allowed to ask these questions when the Speaker agrees the matter is “urgent”, of “public importance”, and requires an “immediate answer from a government minister”. However, the number of cabinet members turning up to reply has dropped from 40% last year to just 12% this year. Instead, cabinet members have been getting junior ministers to fill in for them.

One of the worst offenders is Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt. The MP for the safe seat of South West Surrey has been hailed as the most disliked frontline politician of any party. Hunt has attended only one of eight urgent questions posed to him in the Commons. In November last year, Hunt was called an “absolute disgrace” by Labour MP Clive Efford for refusing to face an urgent question regarding the junior doctor’s strike. Earlier this month, Labour MP Heidi Alexander claimed Hunt “has not even got the nerve to show up” after he sent a junior minister to answer a question about the contract negotiations with junior doctors.

On this last occasion, no explanation was given for Hunt’s absence. It’s difficult to think of any other job where not turning up to explain problems with your work would be acceptable. Let alone when it is deemed to be of urgent public importance, and when this accountability is part of how our democracy functions.

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Does that excuse it though?


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Does that excuse it though?



Certainly not.

However, it is wrong to try to lay the blame at one door when the whole bloody streets at it.

Very few in politics for the right reasons. Not every Tory's a fascist. Not every socialist's a self serving hypocrite. Hold them all up for the same inspection, then shame them all as necessary.

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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.


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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.


and the Po Po.

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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.


My doctor is brilliant and the practice is superb but listening to others i realise how lucky we are.

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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.


My doctor is brilliant and the practice is superb but listening to others i realise how lucky we are.


Its likely that many doctors surgeries will be cut over the next three years along with pharmacies linked to them.
Its worth a check to see if your local ones are on the hit list.

These are the key questions, what should be cut and what should receive better funding.

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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.


My doctor is brilliant and the practice is superb but listening to others i realise how lucky we are.


Its likely that many doctors surgeries will be cut over the next three years along with pharmacies linked to them.
Its worth a check to see if your local ones are on the hit list.

These are the key questions, what should be cut and what should receive better funding.



"Some doctors in England are being offered thousands of pounds to cut the number of patients being sent to hospital, an investigation has found"

It's things like the above which is worrying,along with incentives to prescribe certain drugs too.

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suiging wrote:
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Does that excuse it though?



Certainly not.

However, it is wrong to try to lay the blame at one door when the whole bloody streets at it.

Very few in politics for the right reasons. Not every Tory's a fascist. Not every socialist's a self serving hypocrite. Hold them all up for the same inspection, then shame them all as necessary.


I agree unreservedly with that.


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knocker knowles wrote:
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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.


My doctor is brilliant and the practice is superb but listening to others i realise how lucky we are.


Its likely that many doctors surgeries will be cut over the next three years along with pharmacies linked to them.
Its worth a check to see if your local ones are on the hit list.

These are the key questions, what should be cut and what should receive better funding.


why?


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Well I can`t see them cutting mine, its so popular it I had a three week wait for an appointment. I ended up cancelling as my "condition" improved.


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A bit like doctors isn`t it ? Used to be a vocation, now it`s just a career.[/quote]

My doctor is brilliant and the practice is superb but listening to others i realise how lucky we are.[/quote]

Its likely that many doctors surgeries will be cut over the next three years along with pharmacies linked to them.
Its worth a check to see if your local ones are on the hit list.

These are the key questions, what should be cut and what should receive better funding.[/quote]

why?[/quote]

These are the key questions, what should be cut and what should receive better funding.

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The General Secretary of the Prison Governors' Association in the U.K. has said that the television 'is the best way to control prisoners'

Maybe online access to a few bookmakers might also help.

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The rich get richer and the poor get poorer:

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Meanwhile those Parasites who call themselves the Royal family are getting another 37 million to do up a couple of properties.
You couldn't make this shit up, as the country falls apart on front line services the family that should be renamed Leech just grabs then grabs some more.

Get out on the street you numpties waving your union jack flags, what a load of artificial bollocks .

Those fuckers have stashed billions, fuckin billions.

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So Osborne got paid £45,000 by the family (Osborne & Little) wallpaper company in 2014 (presumably for doing nothing) but the company paid no corporation tax...and hasn't done so since 2008 (but they haven't broken the law). Work that one out!

Work this one out as well: his tax changes have benefitted him to the tune of a few thousand quid whilst those earning a few thousand quid have got poorer.

Austerity? It's smoke and mirrors to screw the poor to pay off the nation's debts whilst the rich get richer. Britain is fast becoming a banana republic.

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How did the union UNITE do with the tax payment thing ?

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Latest official figures.

Just 1,500 homes have been built under the average Tory council since 2010 - compared to 2,100 under the average Labour council.

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Different values, different culture.

Do you really expect these people to integrate into English society.


As well as beatings for wives who decline to have sex with their husbands, the document also advocates men use "limited violence" on spouses who do not bathe after intercourse or during menstruation.
"Do not hit her vindictively, but only for reminding her about her religious duties"

The council — known as CII — went so far as to provide guidelines on how to inflict the beatings.

"Hit her in areas where her skin is not too thick and not too thin," CII leader Maulana Muhammad Khan Sherani told a press conference in Islamabad on Thursday. "Do not use shoes or a broom on the head, or hit her on the nose or eyes."

"Do not break any bones or cut her skin or leave any marks," he added. "Do not hit her vindictively, but only for reminding her about her religious duties."

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Different values, different culture.

Do you really expect these people to integrate into English society.


As well as beatings for wives who decline to have sex with their husbands, the document also advocates men use "limited violence" on spouses who do not bathe after intercourse or during menstruation.
"Do not hit her vindictively, but only for reminding her about her religious duties"

The council — known as CII — went so far as to provide guidelines on how to inflict the beatings.

"Hit her in areas where her skin is not too thick and not too thin," CII leader Maulana Muhammad Khan Sherani told a press conference in Islamabad on Thursday. "Do not use shoes or a broom on the head, or hit her on the nose or eyes."

"Do not break any bones or cut her skin or leave any marks," he added. "Do not hit her vindictively, but only for reminding her about her religious duties."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakis ... ho-n581616


oh dear.

so using violence is supposed to make people adhere to a religion?

i sense the beginning of the end for Islam.

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Different values, different culture.

Do you really expect these people to integrate into English society.


As well as beatings for wives who decline to have sex with their husbands, the document also advocates men use "limited violence" on spouses who do not bathe after intercourse or during menstruation.
"Do not hit her vindictively, but only for reminding her about her religious duties"

The council — known as CII — went so far as to provide guidelines on how to inflict the beatings.

"Hit her in areas where her skin is not too thick and not too thin," CII leader Maulana Muhammad Khan Sherani told a press conference in Islamabad on Thursday. "Do not use shoes or a broom on the head, or hit her on the nose or eyes."

"Do not break any bones or cut her skin or leave any marks," he added. "Do not hit her vindictively, but only for reminding her about her religious duties."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakis ... ho-n581616


oh dear.

so using violence is supposed to make people adhere to a religion?

i sense the beginning of the end for Islam.


What concerns me is that they take this mentality into situations where they do mix with Western Woman creating those Rotherham abuses.

If so its just delaying the eventual clash of cultures.

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so using violence is supposed to make people adhere to a religion?

i sense the beginning of the end for Islam.


Catholics had the same kind of approach as well (nuns and priests in convents and seminaries, parents in the home)...and what a crazy lot many of them have turned out to be.

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so using violence is supposed to make people adhere to a religion?

i sense the beginning of the end for Islam.


Catholics had the same kind of approach as well (nuns and priests in convents and seminaries, parents in the home)...and what a crazy lot many of them have turned out to be.


all religion is crazy.

the devil put dinosaurs here!

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all religion is crazy.



I ain't disagreeing with that. 8)

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