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We had one of them gas fires, growing up, that you turned the nob to the right, to release the gas, whilst you stooped down, striking a match, to offer to the hissing gas. More than once I singed my eyebrows.

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Spot on Knocker. No one was hungry in all those Labour years were they ?


what's that got to do with the price of ... anything today? call-me-dave makes similar comments all the while - we all know labour have fucked up at various times but the current lot and their failure to accept any responsibility is shameful, especially when they've been the sole cause of much misery

there are many people a lot worse off since the last change of government - including many with families who are in work

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Spot on Knocker. No one was hungry in all those Labour years were they ?


what's that got to do with the price of ... anything today? call-me-dave makes similar comments all the while - we all know labour have fucked up at various times but the current lot and their failure to accept any responsibility is shameful, especially when they've been the sole cause of much misery

there are many people a lot worse off since the last change of government - including many with families who are in work


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chriskamara wrote:
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Spot on Knocker. No one was hungry in all those Labour years were they ?


what's that got to do with the price of ... anything today? call-me-dave makes similar comments all the while - we all know labour have fucked up at various times but the current lot and their failure to accept any responsibility is shameful, especially when they've been the sole cause of much misery

there are many people a lot worse off since the last change of government - including many with families who are in work


I think you may have missed a bit of irony ck.

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Having the only choices? of relieving yourself during the night by either going out of the house into the adjoining outside toilet in the garden or using a ceramic bucket in your parents bedroom.

No politics there, just a kids fright in the night and the impersonable disgust at the alternative.

As stated, poverty my arse.

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Having the only choices? of relieving yourself during the night by either going out of the house into the adjoining outside toilet in the garden or using a ceramic bucket in your parents bedroom.

No politics there, just a kids fright in the night and the impersonable disgust at the alternative.

As stated, poverty my arse.


As a kid I never had to go for a wee in the night but I rarely get through without doing so these days.

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Bloody Hell, just got back from a trip down Memory lane. Just to add my tuppense worth though education has a big part to play, not just through school but from parents too. People of my generation were a part of the "make do and mend" society. The greatest compliment I can pay my parents, God rest them, was that I never realised as a child that we were poor. People today think they have a God given right to what we would have called luxuries back in the day. Anyone been to the Scotlands lately? Count the number of fast food outlets and takeaways. And I ain`t singling that area out, its just that I am familiar with that area.


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Bloody Hell, just got back from a trip down Memory lane. Just to add my tuppense worth though education has a big part to play, not just through school but from parents too. People of my generation were a part of the "make do and mend" society. The greatest compliment I can pay my parents, God rest them, was that I never realised as a child that we were poor. People today think they have a God given right to what we would have called luxuries back in the day. Anyone been to the Scotlands lately? Count the number of fast food outlets and takeaways. And I ain`t singling that area out, its just that I am familiar with that area.


I was an Emerson Road lad.

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The greatest compliment I can pay my parents, God rest them, was that I never realised as a child that we were poor.



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I never thought of ourselves as poor because so many others in our town were at the same level of "poverty" and we just accepted it...


Same situation, Desi.

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What a difference half a century or so makes. I was in comparative luxury on Ashmore Park in the early 60's where we had indoor toilets. My nan and granddad in Heath Town were outside though. Ashma was a smokeless zone so we had to have coke delivered by the bagful. What a different connotation that has today.

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My Grandma's were inspirational. The one was born and bred in Hilton on the way to Brigo.

Huge tied-farming family (read slaves) in which one of the sisters was "visited" by the butcher who was the richest man in the area. Illegitimate off-spring quietly looked after by the family, with never a hint of parentage, asked or answered.

All became clear when said butcher opened a garage (still there to this day) on the main road and out of the blue appointed said offspring to management and eventual ownership.

Money was also provided to send my Dad to relatives in Bloxwich to attend school in Walsall, the first to be schooled out of the home and farm labour.

Nawt wrong with the odd shag with local royalty Knocker...........

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Much of what people are talking about is home economics and the lack of correct priorities.

Go back fifty years and those same blokes who wiped their arse on newspaper smoked 40 a day and drank five or six pints while studying the form.

They didn't think about the woman at home making ends meet to feed the kids, it was a different world with different priorities.
Today, replace the betting shop with this instant all gadget mobile phone and you have this decades time waster.

Whats wrong though is beyond all the political ideology there is real concern that the lower skilled what was working class has been cast aside.
Thats a recipe for social breakdown, and all of society has a role in creating a far better humane system.
The West Midlands as an example was copied and bettered by varies regions in Germany, government grants enabled manufacturing growth.
Germany in 2014 has more than one million people employed in manufacturing than the UK.
Thems the facts about a Britain that in this century is governed by media bullshit and political spin doctors.

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They asked me how I knew, it was Esso Blue? I of course replied, with cheaper grade one buys, smoke gets in your eyes!

The above were the lyrics to the Esso Blue TV advert when we heated a room with a smelly and dangerous Paraffin Heater albeit, I think we used to buy Pink Paraffin from the Petrol Station.

Embers, are you meaning a Gas Poker? We got one of those, just a poker with holes in it connected to the gas mains that you lit and shoved into your coal/coke fire to get it going. Only one room heated in the whole house and my Father's words still ringing in my ears, 'Woz Yo Born in a Barn, put the bloody wood in the hole'. :lol:

Even though our house was a new 3 bedroom detached that my Father could ill afford so most of it went unfurnished for years and despite working shifts down at Richard Thomas and Baldwins in Brockmoor, still used to repair watches and clocks for extra money. He was either at work or stuck over his watch box with a magnifying glass attached to one lens of his glasses.

The window frames were METAL and I had the box room which was always damp during winter and my clothes felt clammy in the mornings and if there was a frost, I used to peel the net curtains off the glass that had frozen from my condensation during the night and then, with a thumb nail, scrape a patch of ice away so as to see what the weather was like outside.

Washing was a quick cat lick in the kitchen sink as the immersion heater only went on once a week for a Sunday night shallow bath before school on Mondays. Being a shift worker, meals were never regular in our house, but I did used to get my School dinners and as I recall, they were mainly healthy foods if not to every kid's taste and we used to get the free third of a pint of milk too.

There was a chippy of course down in the town itself and I can remember that its fryers were heated by coal, but that was a rare treat and of course we had our own Chip pan where my Father or Mother would peel and cut large potatoes into chips and deep fry them. Egg n Chips with a couple of rounds of bread and butter was a popular meal in our house and the nearest thing we had to fast food.

Pork or Lamb chops with potatoes and tinned peas with Bisto gravy would be another meal that I have fond memories of and the occasional Sunday roast joint or a chicken. However, I was always hungry and used to get jam sandwiches down at my Mate's house as most kids got their Tea after school, but I'd be lucky if I got anything before 8pm so used to send him into his Mother's kitchen to sneak me a jam on bread sandwich.

Both of my Grandfathers had their vegetable gardens so there was always seasonal greens and salads to supplement what you would have in your pantry in tins. A delicacy of my day was a tin of John West Salmon on Mashed Potato with some Parsley sauce (from a packet and mixed with milk/water).

Don't recall every having fresh fruit in the house, tinned peaches, fruit cocktail and suchlike yes, but I do recall scrumping apples, sometimes cooking apples that we would 'borrow' some sugar in a saucer to dip them in. My Grandfather would bring damsons and suchlike that he had found in some hedgerows.

So, all in all, I recall being hungry as most boys are, but never starving and I don't know of any kid in my schools that was starving either. Mind you, those kids that lived in Council Houses always got better Christmas presents than I did as my Father was paying some extortionate mortgage.

He never had any money, it was always a struggle to get the school dinner money out of him and he always worked out his income and bills to the nearest penny keeping a notebook where he would list everything in his small handwriting. There was no credit back in those days and if you went a Penny overdrawn at the bank, you got a letter from the Bank Manager.

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Whats wrong though is beyond all the political ideology there is real concern that the lower skilled what was working class has been cast aside.
Thats a recipe for social breakdown, and all of society has a role in creating a far better humane system.
The West Midlands as an example was copied and bettered by varies regions in Germany, government grants enabled manufacturing growth.
Germany in 2014 has more than one million people employed in manufacturing than the UK.
Thems the facts about a Britain that in this century is governed by media bullshit and political spin doctors.


There have been numerous grants in the UK too and with things like the Princes' Trust there are opportunities for Yute if they want to try and make something of themselves. It just isn't as easy as you suggest though Knocker, first of all you have a very strong Sterling Currency which makes buying British Exports very expensive when compared to buying from the USA or Asia (even with local import taxes).

Our domestic consumer market is mainly filled with goods from overseas or produced via licensed franchise type factories where rightly, after taxes, most of the profit goes overseas back to the home country.

You can only stimulate and sustain any kind of business if you have something good to sell at a competitive price, if it is cheaper to import it then, that is what will happen. There is no pride in Buying British goods today, folk want what they can afford and achieve value for money.

This is why I get angry at all of these Party Political Broadcasts where they stand up and blatantly LIE about all the new jobs they're going to create - bollocks, they mean they'll try to move the workforce from one overpriced bankrupt factory to another one that they'll subsidise for a while. Outside of Hi-Tech covering many areas, not just computers, but specialist skills we are still very good at - last time I looked, the UK provides many if not most of the components for Formula One race cars for example.

At the other end of the scale, what have you got; your tool-bag trades as I call them from Chippies, Brickies, Plasterers, Painters, Plumbers and so on and not everyone suits to those trades either, but now, you'll have all of your EU Tool-bag tradesmen coming in, working for cash and undercutting your local lads who have rent or mortgages and credit cards to pay off.

There just aren't the factories as there were when I left school with a fair few opportunities for getting an Apprenticeship so where do you expect the 15/16 years old kids to start today as those closed and demolished factories that kept millions in work are never going to be replaced as is the situation with all of your closed mines.

With a strong currency, high housing costs and therefore requiring high wage demands, we have basically priced ourselves out of the International and Domestic markets and it is not just the UK, it is all over Europe - basically one huge Fist F**K.

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Scrumping! Moscow, I'll bet kids don't even do it nowadays. Christ, when ar wuz a kid, scumpin was a military operation. It generally involved covertly staking out some house, and then climbing over the fence, or crawling through the hedge, to grab as much September fruit as possible, before getting rumbled, and having to leg it, with our carrier bags full of our fruity bounty. Apples, Plums, Damsons, and a right belly ache afterwards.

Conkers! I bet kids don't play conkers anymore (health & safety). Feck me, you pass a conker tree nowadays, and there are absolute beauties, just left there to rot. Shame.

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It's been a good walk down Memory Lane.

I once told a class of 13-14 year olds about life in the 50s and mentioned the tin bath hung on the yard wall which had a once or twice weekly use in front of the fire range. A couple of weeks later I had need to tell a lad off about some minor misdemeanour and he remarked, "At least we've got a proper bathroom."

That was twenty years ago - about 35 years after the event. I'm pretty sure that most of the kids in that class appreciated how life had changed by the 90s and the significance that the War had for us but I doubt if so many would really understand today what our lifestyle was really like and the values it taught us - they'd just laugh and it would go over their heads.

It is truly a different world but the same problems persist like the Hydra - the beast with many heads; cut one head off and another grows.

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I well remember the Esso Blee Duler Moscow.


Leftie, you're supposed to heat with it, not sniff it. :lol:

Is Paraffin still available or has it become Kerosene or suchlike nowadays? :?

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Leftie, you're supposed to heat with it, not sniff it. :lol:

Is Paraffin still available or has it become Kerosene or suchlike nowadays? :?


We still call it paraffin over here Moscow. The Yanks can keep their kerosene. It's still available from places like B&Q for your old fashioned heaters and lamps.

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I well remember the Esso Blee Duler Moscow.


Leftie, you're supposed to heat with it, not sniff it. :lol:

Is Paraffin still available or has it become Kerosene or suchlike nowadays? :?


They both taste the same.

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Rozza wrote:
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I well remember the Esso Blee Duler Moscow.


Leftie, you're supposed to heat with it, not sniff it. :lol:

Is Paraffin still available or has it become Kerosene or suchlike nowadays? :?


They both taste the same.


To be honest, I feel your personal relationships with Lefty and Moscow should be kept.............well personal !!!

Too much information :shock:

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I forgot to add that everything was fried in LARD back then, none of this sunflower, vegetable oils and Pomace Olive Oil that I shallow fry in nowadays.

My Father had a habit of knocking out the bacon, eggs and beans and then pouring the fat from the frying pan over the top of what he served up - it was swimming in fat, but very tasty whilst hot. After one such brunch, I was taken over to the Ladywood Hospital where I was an outpatient after some serious kidney illness and they used to prick my finger, get a little blood and then smear it between two little glass plates. On that particular day a couple of hours after one of Dad's greasy fry ups, the Nurse couldn't get my blood sample to smear, it just kind of coagulated in balls on the glass and she then asked me if I had eaten some greasy food. :oops:

I've never forgotten that moment and now understand why in later life our arteries clog up with shite and cholesterol levels shoot through the ceiling. However, it seems to me that for a starving nation that Diabetes is now the major concern as folk consume more and more crap from the supermarkets.

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I forgot to add that everything was fried in LARD back then, none of this sunflower, vegetable oils and Pomace Olive Oil that I shallow fry in nowadays.

My Father had a habit of knocking out the bacon, eggs and beans and then pouring the fat from the frying pan over the top of what he served up - it was swimming in fat, but very tasty whilst hot. After one such brunch, I was taken over to the Ladywood Hospital where I was an outpatient after some serious kidney illness and they used to prick my finger, get a little blood and then smear it between two little glass plates. On that particular day a couple of hours after one of Dad's greasy fry ups, the Nurse couldn't get my blood sample to smear, it just kind of coagulated in balls on the glass and she then asked me if I had eaten some greasy food. :oops:

I've never forgotten that moment and now understand why in later life our arteries clog up with shite and cholesterol levels shoot through the ceiling. However, it seems to me that for a starving nation that Diabetes is now the major concern as folk consume more and more crap from the supermarkets.


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Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

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MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof.

GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

TG: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

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Yes, that was the fear that this would turn out to be a Monty Python thread as Rozza predicted albeit, underneath it all is the real life situation that folk post First and Second World Wars survived on nothing and if I compare my life to my Father's life then, I have it easy. He used to ridicule me over the Army mattresses insofar that ours were 'proper' mattresses and his was from straw - I think the noun was 'palliasse' or thin straw mattress with bugs of course.

I only found out last night from a History channel that Penicillin only came into effect in 1943. :shock: Folk would die for a scratch off a rose thorn prior to that, net alone the worms, damp and other killers that were about before we went to school with our backsides hanging out of our hand me down trousers. :wink:

You youngsters know fookin nothing and a hardship today is mainly debt related stress, I might suggest.

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 Post Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:04 pm 
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Yes, that was the fear that this would turn out to be a Monty Python thread as Rozza predicted albeit, underneath it all is the real life situation that folk post First and Second World Wars survived on nothing and if I compare my life to my Father's life then, I have it easy. He used to ridicule me over the Army mattresses insofar that ours were 'proper' mattresses and his was from straw - I think the noun was 'palliasse' or thin straw mattress with bugs of course.

I only found out last night from a History channel that Penicillin only came into effect in 1943. :shock: Folk would die for a scratch off a rose thorn prior to that, net alone the worms, damp and other killers that were about before we went to school with our backsides hanging out of our hand me down trousers. :wink:

You youngsters know fookin nothing and a hardship today is mainly debt related stress, I might suggest.


Hand me down trousers? LUXURY. When I were a lad, me mother used to make our trousers out of old potato sacks, and we'd keep them up with a string belt.

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Yes, that was the fear that this would turn out to be a Monty Python thread as Rozza predicted albeit, underneath it all is the real life situation that folk post First and Second World Wars survived on nothing and if I compare my life to my Father's life then, I have it easy. He used to ridicule me over the Army mattresses insofar that ours were 'proper' mattresses and his was from straw - I think the noun was 'palliasse' or thin straw mattress with bugs of course.

I only found out last night from a History channel that Penicillin only came into effect in 1943. :shock: Folk would die for a scratch off a rose thorn prior to that, net alone the worms, damp and other killers that were about before we went to school with our backsides hanging out of our hand me down trousers. :wink:

You youngsters know fookin nothing and a hardship today is mainly debt related stress, I might suggest.


Hand me down trousers? LUXURY. When I were a lad, me mother used to make our trousers out of old potato sacks, and we'd keep them up with a string belt.


String, You Was LUCKY, My Dad used to make a belt out of Horse tail hairs he found in the street and if there was a surplus he would make a whip and beat us to death - kids today don't know that they're born.

Blame Big Bad Poof for starting this shite. :lol:

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String, You Was LUCKY, My Dad used to make a belt out of Horse tail hairs he found in the street and if there was a surplus he would make a whip and beat us to death - kids today don't know that they're born.


You had a belt made out of horse tail hairs? :shock: I never even had any trousers. I had to run around in my underwear. :oops:

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