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I think there is a case for each household to specify in writing their preferred areas of funding.


Hopefully then they get the bits they like while also losing the bits they don't.

More transparency for the tax payer.


Quite the silliest post for some time KK. How would any authority plan it's services based on individual households desires ?


I can see the Tories linking spending in each region to what each council can raise through its own taxation.
Helping the rich parts of the country while ignoring those who struggle to pay.

But that's a different argument ?

I see an ex Tory is running for Labour in the next local elections, Penn Ward.

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Dear Tories, Public service provision is paid for by the public social insurance contributions.

The whole point of them is to provide support for citizens.

Imagine that, the public using public services. But you've redesigned them as a business opportunity and public deterrent.

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Dear Tories, Public service provision is paid for by the public social insurance contributions.

The whole point of them is to provide support for citizens.

Imagine that, the public using public services. But you've redesigned them as a business opportunity and public deterrent.


I believe you have already been told on many occasions which party introduced "The Business Model". You just choose to ignore it.

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Dear Tories, Public service provision is paid for by the public social insurance contributions.

The whole point of them is to provide support for citizens.

Imagine that, the public using public services. But you've redesigned them as a business opportunity and public deterrent.


I believe you have already been told on many occasions which party introduced "The Business Model". You just choose to ignore it.


This is exactly the reason to vote in a Socialist Government, a time to end decades of Tory or Tory lite policy.

For the many not the few.

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Major city-wide ‘crisis appeal’ launched in Bristol to feed 11,000 children this summer, after the Government cut funding to combat ‘holiday hunger’.



https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris ... ol-2885566

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Major city-wide ‘crisis appeal’ launched in Bristol to feed 11,000 children this summer, after the Government cut funding to combat ‘holiday hunger’.



https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bris ... ol-2885566



Perhaps if the Labour Council were not paying each other hush money, this wouldn't be necessary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47645164

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British steel.

Interesting thoughts from Lauren Dingsdale.

My thoughts on british steel as 1) the uk Labour Parliamentary Candidate for the constituency which contains one of the sites (Skinningrove) and 2) as a qualified solicitor - who spent 5 years specialising in European Competition Law at one of the top firms in the UK.


When 5k jobs are at directly at risk (& another 20k jobs in the supply chain affected) the Govt must do everything it can. British Steel needs £30m. IPPR has calculated it collapsing would lead to £2.8bn in lost wages & cost the Govt £1.1bn in lost revenue and extra benefits.

There are indeed limits on how the Govt can step in under EU State aid laws. However, the UK government has a real tendency to use these rules as an excuse for when they simply don’t want to intervene. The UK has given much less aid than most other European governments

My big concern is that the Tory Government and the Tory MP in the area Simon Clarke will simply cite State aid as an easy reason not to intervene.

Having dusted off my old State aid textbook (disclaimer - not my area of practice anymore - and I only know what is in the public domain) - it seems to me there are potential arguments that could be run that the proposed aid would be compatible with the internal market.

For example Article 107(3)(b) - ‘to remedy a serious disturbance in the economy of a Member State’ was used to bail out banks in 2008. #BritishSteel is citing Brexit as a key factor - is that not a serious economic disturbance?

There also seems plausible arguments that this aid would promote the economic development of areas with low standards of living (107(3)(a)) and to promote the development of certain economic activities/areas (107(3)(c))

I’m not saying these are easy arguments to run - but it is worth a shot - given the jobs at stake and the strategic importance of the steel which underpins our country’s defence, our automotive sector, our aerospace industry and our construction industry.

I hope the Government has engaged decent State aid lawyers and - if it chooses not to intervene - it publishes a detailed summary of the advice received as to why specifically it felt investment or nationalisation would be against State aid rules.

But I fear it will roll out the old trope that ‘the EU stops us helping’ - and thousands of jobs will be lost - and the Skinningrove community will suffer.

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Terrible situation, but the company that owns it has only done so for a short time. It has failed to turn around the company in what are admittedly difficult circumstances. The government is being asked to bale them out - again. Would their running of the company improve? Would they just come back wanting more?

Perhaps the search for an alternative owner is best option. Will anyone want to buy?

No doubt the left will urge nationalisation. That would be a disaster - for the nation and the workers.

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The company that bought them are asset strippers. With them in charge, money poured in would go straight to the Swedes and Turks who run the shell company

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The company that bought them are asset strippers. With them in charge, money poured in would go straight to the Swedes and Turks who run the shell company


Its a shame that the government doesn't regulate the buyers of national institutions and it seems at times they encourage these venture capitalists to do as they please

Labour should be all over this uncovering every detail as a whole region and communities could go to waste.
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The company that bought them are asset strippers. With them in charge, money poured in would go straight to the Swedes and Turks who run the shell company


Its a shame that the government doesn't regulate the buyers of national institutions and it seems at times they encourage these venture capitalists to do as they please

Labour should be all over this uncovering every detail as a whole region and communities could go to waste.
Shamefull


Not sure British Steel is a National Institution - but I agree that the 'free market' approach prevalent in this country does cause issues- just ask ARM.

Other countries do not 'allow' the same sorts of takeovers.
Unilevers recent proposed move to The Netherlands was nothing to do with BREXIT but was due to the fact there's more protection against hostile takeovers in the EU.

Whether or not you trust the company that now owns it Its untrue to say any help is against EU rules.
EDF are part owned by the French and the Rail company given the East Midlands -Abellio - is owned by Nederlandse Spoorwegenare a Dutch state owned company.

Its just an excuse we seem to use & I think its a very short sighted approach tbh.


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That's another false taboo created in the minds of many, State owned.

As though its another bogey man and we should never go there.

Its surprising how easy it is to plant these messages in the brains of many.

Those that a long time ago lost the ability to THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

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But the record of state-owned monopolies whether in this country or others is not good. They tend to have poor industrial relations, and end up being in the hands of unions who become self-serving rather than serving the interests of their members, and certainly not serving the best interests the country,

Those of us old enough to remember those days do not want to return.... My own children are - however - seduced by the rhetoric of 'owned by the nation for the nation', but the reality can be oh so different!

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That's another false taboo created in the minds of many, State owned.

As though its another bogey man and we should never go there.

Its surprising how easy it is to plant these messages in the brains of many.

Those that a long time ago lost the ability to THINK FOR THEMSELVES.


Once again it appears that only the elite few like yourself can work such things out. What fantastic respect you show for your fellow citizens. :roll:

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One of - maybe the only - Companies I would nationalise would be the water companies.

Losing millions of gallons a day - I doubt (m)any of them will ever have enough profit to sort even 60% of the problems out.
Lack of drinkable water the single thing we can't do without.
Can you imagine the public allowing/supporting a 'water strike' & so would probably be self-regulating -theres prob a joke in there but I CBA.


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But the record of state-owned monopolies whether in this country or others is not good. They tend to have poor industrial relations, and end up being in the hands of unions who become self-serving rather than serving the interests of their members, and certainly not serving the best interests the country,

Those of us old enough to remember those days do not want to return.... My own children are - however - seduced by the rhetoric of 'owned by the nation for the nation', but the reality can be oh so different!


Point proved.

Just as example look how Norway has used its oil in the national interest.

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But the record of state-owned monopolies whether in this country or others is not good. They tend to have poor industrial relations, and end up being in the hands of unions who become self-serving rather than serving the interests of their members, and certainly not serving the best interests the country,

Those of us old enough to remember those days do not want to return.... My own children are - however - seduced by the rhetoric of 'owned by the nation for the nation', but the reality can be oh so different!


Point proved.

Just as example look how Norway has used its oil in the national interest.


And just look at the draconian control Norway has on it's Unions.

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But the record of state-owned monopolies whether in this country or others is not good. They tend to have poor industrial relations, and end up being in the hands of unions who become self-serving rather than serving the interests of their members, and certainly not serving the best interests the country,

Those of us old enough to remember those days do not want to return.... My own children are - however - seduced by the rhetoric of 'owned by the nation for the nation', but the reality can be oh so different!


Point proved.

Just as example look how Norway has used its oil in the national interest.



Exacty the opposite. This would seem to prove to me that Silverstone's progeny have not been brainwashed by the Tory supporting media which is what you say seems to be happening all the time.

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But the record of state-owned monopolies whether in this country or others is not good. They tend to have poor industrial relations, and end up being in the hands of unions who become self-serving rather than serving the interests of their members, and certainly not serving the best interests the country,

Those of us old enough to remember those days do not want to return.... My own children are - however - seduced by the rhetoric of 'owned by the nation for the nation', but the reality can be oh so different!


Point proved.

Just as example look how Norway has used its oil in the national interest.


And just look at the draconian control Norway has on it's Unions.


We can see in modern Britain how the lack of Unions has led to massive abuse of the workforce.
So many wide ranging issues from Zero hour contracts, low pay, poor working standards and practise.

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From someone who lived through the seventies?

You have to be joking.

And every time Jezza or his supporters applaud the Scandi models they forget to mention the totally controlled by strict laws, unions

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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .

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Candle sales always do well in blackouts.

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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .


They were so good they eventually got a bonus for the work they didn't do to match the bonuses received by the few in another union who carried on working.

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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .


I wonder what percentage of those residents have researched or tried to understand the issues which make working people feel the need to take industrial action.

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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .


I wonder what percentage of those residents have researched or tried to understand the issues which make working people feel the need to take industrial action.


I think we all all understand greed.

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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .


I wonder what percentage of those residents have researched or tried to understand the issues which make working people feel the need to take industrial action.


I have to say I haven't , but I do think that there are many quick to demonise public service actions without fully appreciating their rationale- same with teachers..."How dare they strike" etc etc.

Sometimes the added pressure of public backlash , warranted or not, means that genuine concerns are ignored by the powers that be as they know actions is more difficult to take.

However in the case of binmen I have to say - I doubt it was an existential threat, so Ive sorta gone against my initial response ...maybe I should check first :)


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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .


I wonder what percentage of those residents have researched or tried to understand the issues which make working people feel the need to take industrial action.


I have to say I haven't , but I do think that there are many quick to demonise public service actions without fully appreciating their rationale- same with teachers..."How dare they strike" etc etc.

Sometimes the added pressure of public backlash , warranted or not, means that genuine concerns are ignored by the powers that be as they know actions is more difficult to take.

However in the case of binmen I have to say - I doubt it was an existential threat, so Ive sorta gone against my initial response ...maybe I should check first :)


One of the main issues in Birmingham was that the council had been a soft touch for years and information was showing that they were far less efficient than many other waste collection departments around the country. They tried to get tough but weren't clever enough to deal with the cute trade union officials. This wasn't much about need of the TU members it was about showing that they were smarter than their colleagues elsewhere.

The "cleverness" of Birmingham council has now been highlighted in that they decided to take the grass verge cutting service back in house from this Spring and sacked the contractors. Unfortunately no-one realised that they might need some equipment to do this job and they hadn't budgeted for it. Our local patch of green has not been cut yet this Spring.

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I wonder if the residents of Birmingham applaud the strength of the unions in the field of refuse collection? .


I wonder what percentage of those residents have researched or tried to understand the issues which make working people feel the need to take industrial action.


I have to say I haven't , but I do think that there are many quick to demonise public service actions without fully appreciating their rationale- same with teachers..."How dare they strike" etc etc.

Sometimes the added pressure of public backlash , warranted or not, means that genuine concerns are ignored by the powers that be as they know actions is more difficult to take.

However in the case of binmen I have to say - I doubt it was an existential threat, so Ive sorta gone against my initial response ...maybe I should check first :)


This is a point I constantly have to make because there is a public backlash due to the Tories ability through the media to condition folk in this respect.
People take an anti Union view without having a clue about the issues

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This is a point I constantly have to make because there is a public backlash due to the Tories ability through the media to condition folk in this respect.
People take an anti Union view without having a clue about the issues


And the point I constantly have to make is that is your opinion which you do not evidence you just constantly say it. You also always take a very dismissive view of "people" because they do not think like you do and it is you who claims to be interested in the poor, weak, vulnerable etc. who appear to be largely the same people.

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Amber Rudd intends to complain to the UN (Report, 23 May) about the damning report on austerity in Britain despite the hard evidence for most of the points in Philip Alston’s report, which will soon be presented to the UN human rights council in Geneva. It is ironic that Rudd introduced punitive policies linked to universal credit and the assessment of vulnerable adults entitled to independent living allowance. Yet she claims “the UK is one of the happiest places to live”.

Alston describes the systemic immiseration of a significant part of the population and this is backed up by research by the Care Quality Commission, Unicef and the Institute for Fiscal Studies – working families dependent on food banks; unprecedented child mental health problems; teachers being driven to provide food for pupils; the closures of youth services and Sure Start centres; and the hostile environment towards immigrants.

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As a former school governor and youth service manager, and a current child safeguarding officer in deprived authorities in the north-west, I am all too familiar with the concerns raised in Alston’s report. The rights of the individual are being consistently undermined and British compassion has been replaced by a punitive and often callous approach.

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I read that an incensed Amber Rudd is to complain about Philip Alston’s report on poverty. She says that “our welfare reforms are focussed on supporting people into employment …” Three pages on, one reads that “Universal credit is forcing women into sex work”. One can only conclude that the DWP’s policies are working. Perhaps “get on your bike” is too last century; for today, it’s “get on your back”. To the DWP, the world is your oyster.

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