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Do these GET BREXIT DONE voters believe that their lot will get better starting the end of next January.

When should they be looking at a brighter future?


When that brighter future never happens and their lot gets worse what happens next?

Whats the timescale?

Because Johnson may have droned on and on about GET BREXIT DONE but eventually he has to be judged on delivering a better future.

He cant of course he lacks a detailed plan.

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Do these GET BREXIT DONE voters believe that their lot will get better starting the end of next January.

When should they be looking at a brighter future?


When that brighter future never happens and their lot gets worse what happens next?

Whats the timescale?

Because Johnson may have droned on and on about GET BREXIT DONE but eventually he has to be judged on delivering a better future.

He cant of course he lacks a detailed plan.


Johnson voted remain. It was you who voted leave.

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Do these GET BREXIT DONE voters believe that their lot will get better starting the end of next January.

When should they be looking at a brighter future?


When that brighter future never happens and their lot gets worse what happens next?

Whats the timescale?

Because Johnson may have droned on and on about GET BREXIT DONE but eventually he has to be judged on delivering a better future.

He cant of course he lacks a detailed plan.


Johnson voted remain. It was you who voted leave.


Correct, But I didn't vote for a Kamikaze Brexit that was created on the back of a fag packet.

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Do these GET BREXIT DONE voters believe that their lot will get better starting the end of next January.

When should they be looking at a brighter future?


When that brighter future never happens and their lot gets worse what happens next?

Whats the timescale?

Because Johnson may have droned on and on about GET BREXIT DONE but eventually he has to be judged on delivering a better future.

He cant of course he lacks a detailed plan.


Johnson voted remain. It was you who voted leave.


Correct, But I didn't vote for a Kamikaze Brexit that was created on the back of a fag packet.


You voted for the same desire to leave the EU, along with 17.4 million others. Negotiations, up to now, have been disrupted and hampered by a metro-centric elite that did not believe in democracy. The negotiations on a level playing field begin in the new year.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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Anyone who voted 'exit' with an ounce of common sense KNEW that the benefits of Brexit would be many years in arriving, and that in the first 5-10 years it would likely cost us money.

Forget all the fluff and nonsense. We have begun a long and tortuous journey, but it is the DESTINATION that people voted for. I think most knew that there would be pain and blisters along the way, but that the view at the end would make it worthwhile.

And sometime in the not too distant future, we will be able to watch from across the channel as 'the European project' begins to unravel and fall apart. It won't be pretty, but it will be salutary.

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Anyone who voted 'exit' with an ounce of common sense KNEW that the benefits of Brexit would be many years in arriving, and that in the first 5-10 years it would likely cost us money.

Forget all the fluff and nonsense. We have begun a long and tortuous journey, but it is the DESTINATION that people voted for. I think most knew that there would be pain and blisters along the way, but that the view at the end would make it worthwhile.

And sometime in the not too distant future, we will be able to watch from across the channel as 'the European project' begins to unravel and fat apart. It won't be pretty, but it will be salutary.


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Anyone who voted 'exit' with an ounce of common sense KNEW that the benefits of Brexit would be many years in arriving, and that in the first 5-10 years it would likely cost us money.

Forget all the fluff and nonsense. We have begun a long and tortuous journey, but it is the DESTINATION that people voted for. I think most knew that there would be pain and blisters along the way, but that the view at the end would make it worthwhile.

And sometime in the not too distant future, we will be able to watch from across the channel as 'the European project' begins to unravel and fall apart. It won't be pretty, but it will be salutary.


When the vote out campaign started it was with words of a bright new future, new markets and the opportunity to grow the economy.
Roll on a few years and its damage limitation with possible light at the end of a tunnel.

Facts are, If the UK economy contracts 2% your moving into recession and once your economy contracts all those front line spending promises become nothing more than a wish list.

Bear in mind without a COMPREHENSIVE Trade deal with the EU your looking at a 5 to 10% cut to the economy.
Try and get your heads round the kind of impact that would have to front line services and from that the most vulnerable in society.

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Anyone who voted 'exit' with an ounce of common sense KNEW that the benefits of Brexit would be many years in arriving, and that in the first 5-10 years it would likely cost us money.

Forget all the fluff and nonsense. We have begun a long and tortuous journey, but it is the DESTINATION that people voted for. I think most knew that there would be pain and blisters along the way, but that the view at the end would make it worthwhile.

And sometime in the not too distant future, we will be able to watch from across the channel as 'the European project' begins to unravel and fall apart. It won't be pretty, but it will be salutary.


When the vote out campaign started it was with words of a bright new future, new markets and the opportunity to grow the economy.
Roll on a few years and its damage limitation with possible light at the end of a tunnel.

Facts are, If the UK economy contracts 2% your moving into recession and once your economy contracts all those front line spending promises become nothing more than a wish list.

Bear in mind without a COMPREHENSIVE Trade deal with the EU your looking at a 5 to 10% cut to the economy.
Try and get your heads round the kind of impact that would have to front line services and from that the most vulnerable in society.


What about the new deals with the rest of the world? All of these doomsday forecasts take details in isolation and never look ar the bigger picture.

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Anyone who voted 'exit' with an ounce of common sense KNEW that the benefits of Brexit would be many years in arriving, and that in the first 5-10 years it would likely cost us money.

Forget all the fluff and nonsense. We have begun a long and tortuous journey, but it is the DESTINATION that people voted for. I think most knew that there would be pain and blisters along the way, but that the view at the end would make it worthwhile.

And sometime in the not too distant future, we will be able to watch from across the channel as 'the European project' begins to unravel and fall apart. It won't be pretty, but it will be salutary.


When the vote out campaign started it was with words of a bright new future, new markets and the opportunity to grow the economy.
Roll on a few years and its damage limitation with possible light at the end of a tunnel.

Facts are, If the UK economy contracts 2% your moving into recession and once your economy contracts all those front line spending promises become nothing more than a wish list.

Bear in mind without a COMPREHENSIVE Trade deal with the EU your looking at a 5 to 10% cut to the economy.
Try and get your heads round the kind of impact that would have to front line services and from that the most vulnerable in society.


What about the new deals with the rest of the world? All of these doomsday forecasts take details in isolation and never look ar the bigger picture.


Do the maths, understand to what extent each market would need to multiply in order to make up the deficit. Add to that the trade you will lose to your closest competitor, the EU.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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But surely you voted 'leave', Knocker? You will have been aware of all these early 'costs' when you so voted. You surely didn't believe the 'Brexit bus' line that all would be simple, save us money, and create a land of permanent sunshine & milk & honey?

The hard part for the Tories will be to persuade the electorate in 5 years (by which time few of the advantages will yet have come to fruition) that Brexit was the right course, and that good times 'are just around the corner'.

Presumably the Labour Party will be miserable harbingers of doom and gloom (again!) telling us how we all made a ghastly mistake in backing Brexit, how we are are headed for further economic meltdown, that if Jezza had been in charge Labour would either have negotiated a FAR better deal, or would have remained after all....

What message of hope will Labour be able to present? Not just 'Spend, Spend Spend' again....

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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But surely you voted 'leave', Knocker? You will have been aware of all these early 'costs' when you so voted. You surely didn't believe the 'Brexit bus' line that all would be simple, save us money, and create a land of permanent sunshine & milk & honey?

The hard part for the Tories will be to persuade the electorate in 5 years (by which time few of the advantages will yet have come to fruition) that Brexit was the right course, and that good times 'are just around the corner'.

Presumably the Labour Party will be miserable harbingers of doom and gloom (again!) telling us how we all made a ghastly mistake in backing Brexit, how we are are headed for further economic meltdown, that if Jezza had been in charge Labour would either have negotiated a FAR better deal, or would have remained after all....

What message of hope will Labour be able to present? Not just 'Spend, Spend Spend' again....


There is NO message of hope if Johnson sucks up to the ERG and expects the UK can make up the shortfall through the USA plus other trade deals.
While seeking a basic deal with the EU which is more third party, fire and theft rather than Comprehensive.

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Where I have a problem KK is that you kee saying these things with certainty because you read the people who have a particular point of view whereas there are many who have a different point if view and say things will work our more positively for the UK. If you believe one side rather than another that's fine but don't keep telling us that the outcome is a certainty because it is all speculation and opinion.

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"Make no mistake, our movement is very strong... we're not backed by the press barons, by the billionaires or by the millionaires who work for the billionaires. We're backed by you. We are by the many, for the many."

Jezzas latest myopic bollocks. "We are backed by you the many not the few", anymore as per the recent campaign slogan . Usurped by the "Jew" references latterly.

The media voted in Boris according to Jezza and his co-horts,..... idiots who will stay in their own inspired wilderness for years.

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"Make no mistake, our movement is very strong... we're not backed by the press barons, by the billionaires or by the millionaires who work for the billionaires. We're backed by you. We are by the many, for the many."

Jezzas latest myopic bollocks. "We are backed by you the many not the few", anymore as per the recent campaign slogan . Usurped by the "Jew" references latterly.

The media voted in Boris according to Jezza and his co-horts,..... idiots who will stay in their own inspired wilderness for years.


By "Wilderness" I presume you mean Islington?

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Stick to your guns Jeremy, we are going through that phase where all and sundry will try and influence the future direction of the Labour party.

Just take note of who and what they are.

Three categories.

Wankers.

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The well meaning.

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Stick to your guns Jeremy, we are going through that phase where all and sundry will try and influence the future direction of the Labour party.

Just take note of who and what they are.

Three categories.

Wankers.

Bastards.

The well meaning.


Yes !!! Stick to these popular policies and elect another fantastic, popular, Marxist leader. Make Islington proud, sod the rest of the country, what do they know?

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Stick to your guns Jeremy, we are going through that phase where all and sundry will try and influence the future direction of the Labour party.

Just take note of who and what they are.

Three categories.

Wankers.

Bastards.

The well meaning.


Is Jess Phillips a wanker or a bastard?

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Stick to your guns Jeremy, we are going through that phase where all and sundry will try and influence the future direction of the Labour party.

Just take note of who and what they are.

Three categories.

Wankers.

Bastards.

The well meaning.


Is Jess Phillips a wanker or a bastard?


Hopefully she is not a hybrid of the two terms more hated than them both... a banker!

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Hopefully she is not a hybrid of the two terms more hated than them both... a banker!


Ouch, I used to be one of them years ago before I learnt the error of my ways and became an NHS pen pusher.

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So when Russia sends assassins to the UK to use weapons of war banned by all democratic nations to kill people who disagree with the regime, Corbyn sides with Russia at every turn and refuses to condemn the act.

The USA takes out a vile scumbag who has orchestrated the deaths of countless civilians in order to further his personal, as well as his country's political and religious aims, Corbyn comes out filled with outrage, blaming the US and UK governments for this man's actions in the first place.

Is he trying for a new contract with Iranian TV? Or is this an example of the 'kind' person so beloved by Wrong-Daily?

And some of you wanted this man to run our country ?

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So when Russia sends assassins to the UK to use weapons of war banned by all democratic nations to kill people who disagree with the regime, Corbyn sides with Russia at every turn and refuses to condemn the act.

The USA takes out a vile scumbag who has orchestrated the deaths of countless civilians in order to further his personal, as well as his country's political and religious aims, Corbyn comes out filled with outrage, blaming the US and UK governments for this man's actions in the first place.

Is he trying for a new contract with Iranian TV? Or is this an example of the 'kind' person so beloved by Wrong-Daily?

And some of you wanted this man to run our country ?



Typo error there, you missed out the "I"...…….RUIN.

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UK former ambassador to Iran has just told BBC Breakfast that Soleimani was one of the key players in the defeat of Isis and that when he was killed by the US he was on his way to Saudi Arabia on a peace mission.

(So Jeremy Corbyn was right to raise legality of the killing of this man.)

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UK former ambassador to Iran has just told BBC Breakfast that Soleimani was one of the key players in the defeat of Isis and that when he was killed by the US he was on his way to Saudi Arabia on a peace mission.

(So Jeremy Corbyn was right to raise legality of the killing of this man.)


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UK former ambassador to Iran has just told BBC Breakfast that Soleimani was one of the key players in the defeat of Isis and that when he was killed by the US he was on his way to Saudi Arabia on a peace mission.

(So Jeremy Corbyn was right to raise legality of the killing of this man.)


Starts to sound like Rudolph Hess on his one man flight to Scotland to seek peace behind Hitler's back....

Just how would an ex-anything 'know' where someone was on his way to, and to meet whom, and to discuss what?

Some people will do ANYTHING to get on the TV. Did you hear that MAD Head from London on radio5 this morning? Absolutely bonkers - but BBC keep going to her for interviews because she says ridiculous things and is extreme in her views so 'is good for stimulating debate' (or for making Headteachers seem like absolute control-freak loons!)

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UK former ambassador to Iran has just told BBC Breakfast that Soleimani was one of the key players in the defeat of Isis and that when he was killed by the US he was on his way to Saudi Arabia on a peace mission.

(So Jeremy Corbyn was right to raise legality of the killing of this man.)


Starts to sound like Rudolph Hess on his one man flight to Scotland to seek peace behind Hitler's back....

Just how would an ex-anything 'know' where someone was on his way to, and to meet whom, and to discuss what?

Some people will do ANYTHING to get on the TV. Did you hear that MAD Head from London on radio5 this morning? Absolutely bonkers - but BBC keep going to her for interviews because she says ridiculous things and is extreme in her views so 'is good for stimulating debate' (or for making Headteachers seem like absolute control-freak loons!)


This is the same "Ex" who KK used as his authority to prove that Corbyn and the Russians were correct over Salisbury. Enough said.

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UK former ambassador to Iran has just told BBC Breakfast that Soleimani was one of the key players in the defeat of Isis and that when he was killed by the US he was on his way to Saudi Arabia on a peace mission.

(So Jeremy Corbyn was right to raise legality of the killing of this man.)


Starts to sound like Rudolph Hess on his one man flight to Scotland to seek peace behind Hitler's back....

Just how would an ex-anything 'know' where someone was on his way to, and to meet whom, and to discuss what?

Some people will do ANYTHING to get on the TV. Did you hear that MAD Head from London on radio5 this morning? Absolutely bonkers - but BBC keep going to her for interviews because she says ridiculous things and is extreme in her views so 'is good for stimulating debate' (or for making Headteachers seem like absolute control-freak loons!)


This is the same "Ex" who KK used as his authority to prove that Corbyn and the Russians were correct over Salisbury. Enough said.


How do you know which view is correct?

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KK. On the one side we have the view of the CIA, our own Security Services, the Canadian RCMP and Security Services, and the security services of just about any country in the West you can name.

On your side we have your one lunatic, who has been proved time and again to be a bitter and twisted ant-UK nut-job, and the Iranians themselves who have seized the 'Black-Box' and refuse to give it up as per International Aviation Law for independent scrutiny. Oh, and not to forget Corbyn, that well known Iranian TV star.

Add to the mix the plane was flown by the most senior flight crew the Ukrainians had, and a proven, totally reliable (It's not the Max) plane, which had recently been passed as completely air-worthy.

Let me think....... Which side would any SANE person favour?

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I know it's the rag called the Mail, but the video is rather convincing. And why have all the international airlines diverted their aircraft KK?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... light.html

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What does Jeremy think about the Iranians bulldozing all the evidence from the crash site before the Ukrainian investigators arrive?
Does your ex-Ambassador think this is normal behavior from a government with nothing to hide?

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KK. On the one side we have the view of the CIA, our own Security Services, the Canadian RCMP and Security Services, and the security services of just about any country in the West you can name.

On your side we have your one lunatic, who has been proved time and again to be a bitter and twisted ant-UK nut-job, and the Iranians themselves who have seized the 'Black-Box' and refuse to give it up as per International Aviation Law for independent scrutiny. Oh, and not to forget Corbyn, that well known Iranian TV star.

Add to the mix the plane was flown by the most senior flight crew the Ukrainians had, and a proven, totally reliable (It's not the Max) plane, which had recently been passed as completely air-worthy.

Let me think....... Which side would any SANE person favour?


It seems your confusing two news stories, one a killing by drone the other a shooting down of a commercial aeroplane.

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