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KK. On the one side we have the view of the CIA, our own Security Services, the Canadian RCMP and Security Services, and the security services of just about any country in the West you can name.

On your side we have your one lunatic, who has been proved time and again to be a bitter and twisted ant-UK nut-job, and the Iranians themselves who have seized the 'Black-Box' and refuse to give it up as per International Aviation Law for independent scrutiny. Oh, and not to forget Corbyn, that well known Iranian TV star.

Add to the mix the plane was flown by the most senior flight crew the Ukrainians had, and a proven, totally reliable (It's not the Max) plane, which had recently been passed as completely air-worthy.

Let me think....... Which side would any SANE person favour?


It seems your confusing two news stories, one a killing by drone the other a shooting down of a commercial aeroplane.


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KK. On the one side we have the view of the CIA, our own Security Services, the Canadian RCMP and Security Services, and the security services of just about any country in the West you can name.

On your side we have your one lunatic, who has been proved time and again to be a bitter and twisted ant-UK nut-job, and the Iranians themselves who have seized the 'Black-Box' and refuse to give it up as per International Aviation Law for independent scrutiny. Oh, and not to forget Corbyn, that well known Iranian TV star.

Add to the mix the plane was flown by the most senior flight crew the Ukrainians had, and a proven, totally reliable (It's not the Max) plane, which had recently been passed as completely air-worthy.

Let me think....... Which side would any SANE person favour?


It seems your confusing two news stories, one a killing by drone the other a shooting down of a commercial aeroplane.


Yes my apologies. I actually went to your mad, traitor's-blog and answered his rubbish rather than the point you made using him as an authority. I apologise.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.

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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.


So would I !!!!

No more Labour/Marxists in power in my lifetime.....

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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.


What evidence are you using for that assumption other than your opinion?

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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.


A bizarre claim which - if true (and of course it is an unsubstantiated guess) then in a nutshell we have why the Labour Party would remain out of power for another generation.

That said, not sure ANY of the candidates fulfils the person requirement for the job.

Personally, I could see Jess Phillips being the most effective in challenging Boris week in and week out, but she would not be PM. She would have to stand aside having done what the Labour Party needed, and a new person lead the party into the next election - someone perhaps we haven't even heard of yet....

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A bizarre claim which - if true (and of course it is an unsubstantiated guess) then in a nutshell we have why the Labour Party would remain out of power for another generation.



Exactly SW. I do wonder if some of the Labour party really don't want to be in government at all but prefer to stay perpetually in opposition where they can espouse their ideologies without having the problems of trying to implement them in the real world.

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A bizarre claim which - if true (and of course it is an unsubstantiated guess) then in a nutshell we have why the Labour Party would remain out of power for another generation.



Exactly SW. I do wonder if some of the Labour party really don't want to be in government at all but prefer to stay perpetually in opposition where they can espouse their ideologies without having the problems of trying to implement them in the real world.


It is certainly true that GOVERNMENT (or even being a 'boss' in commercial world) is so much harder than being the 'know-alls' who know what should be done if only they were in charge....

Having to make BIG decisions in a very murky & nuanced world is very very difficult. You tend to have to take the 'least worst' option, there simply not being a 'best' one. The media do not understand this, or rather pretend not to. So easy to be sanctimonious when not a decision-maker.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.


So would I !!!!

No more Labour/Marxists in power in my lifetime.....


That's been the case in the UK since Wilson/Callaghan in the sixties/seventies.

Since then a stitched up system that only elects right or centre right governments.
Fuck power to the people. Unless your Scottish.

Labour should wrap up, pointless carrying on the charade that socialism is a choice.

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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.


So would I !!!!

No more Labour/Marxists in power in my lifetime.....


That's been the case in the UK since Wilson/Callaghan in the sixties/seventies.

Since then a stitched up system that only elects right or centre right governments.
Fuck power to the people. Unless your Scottish.

Labour should wrap up, pointless carrying on the charade that socialism is a choice.


Perhaps it's because the people don't want it. Democracy in action.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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If Jeremy Corbyn stood today for re-election he would win the vote easily.

Now you can have various views on that. I would support him over the other contenders.


So would I !!!!

No more Labour/Marxists in power in my lifetime.....


That's been the case in the UK since Wilson/Callaghan in the sixties/seventies.

Since then a stitched up system that only elects right or centre right governments.
Fuck power to the people. Unless your Scottish.

Labour should wrap up, pointless carrying on the charade that socialism is a choice.


Perhaps before a General election we could have in depth political debates with Socialism debated as a possible way forward for the country.
The last Election was won on the back of a stupid slogan.
Lets get Brexit done.
And a smear campaign.

And you want to unite the country. What fuckin chance of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Jeremy Corbyn
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Perhaps before a General election we could have in depth political debates with Socialism debated as a possible way forward for the country.
The last Election was won on the back of a stupid slogan.
Lets get Brexit done.
And a smear campaign.

And you want to unite the country. What fuckin chance of that.



But the smear camoaign agaunst Johnson didn't work did it. :roll: I am still waiting for specific examples of smears against Corbyn because it seems to me that it was simply facts about him that were being quoted that your side didn't like.

If you want to unite the country, I would suggest a tad more tolerance of alternative opinions, a better understanding of the reality of what the electorate want and less inflammatory language.

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Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 40681.html

I actually think the percentage might be higher.

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Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 40681.html

I actually think the percentage might be higher.


Firstly, it says that 52% of those 75% were simply just an article which mentioned Corbyn and did not state his views - a non statistic if ever there was one. The others they say were inaccurately reported appear to be simply based on judgement - how did they decide it was inaccurate other than subjectively? How did they choose the newspapers - did they leave any out? It doesn't say. Given that it was a study by an essentially left of centre organisation and published in "The Independent" which may be independent but not necessarily objective and generally provides left leaning articles I would give this little credibility as an academic study on the information provided in the article.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51255529

Politics of the Ostrich alive and kicking today. I wonder if Ms Bailey will be as blinkered and blimpish?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51255529

Politics of the Ostrich alive and kicking today. I wonder if Ms Bailey will be as blinkered and blimpish?


She will be McClusky's puppet in parliament so I expect she will be.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51255529

Politics of the Ostrich alive and kicking today. I wonder if Ms Bailey will be as blinkered and blimpish?


The media plant the seeds and joe public follow the inevitable narrative.

The head of a Trade Union is poison Tick.

RLB a friend of Jeremy Corbyn must also be toxic. Tick.

One supports the other, beware of the Bogeymen. Tick.

Oh to be so easily brainwashed.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51255529

Politics of the Ostrich alive and kicking today. I wonder if Ms Bailey will be as blinkered and blimpish?


The media plant the seeds and joe public follow the inevitable narrative.

The head of a Trade Union is poison Tick.

RLB a friend of Jeremy Corbyn must also be toxic. Tick.

One supports the other, beware of the Bogeymen. Tick.

Oh to be so easily brainwashed.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902

These folk must be idiots like me too. Check out their demographic kk. Closet Tories the lot of us, blinded by the right wing tory press :roll: . 75 years ago today Auschwitz was liberated yet still today there are holocaust deniers even in the Labour party it seems?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51255529

Politics of the Ostrich alive and kicking today. I wonder if Ms Bailey will be as blinkered and blimpish?


The media plant the seeds and joe public follow the inevitable narrative.

The head of a Trade Union is poison Tick.

RLB a friend of Jeremy Corbyn must also be toxic. Tick.

One supports the other, beware of the Bogeymen. Tick.

Oh to be so easily brainwashed.


The media don't plant the seed - it is the stuff that comes out of McCluskey's own mouth that 'the public' recognise as unreconstructed 1960s communist rhetoric. So yes - he gets a tick for poison.

The media don't plant the seed - it is RLB herself who gave Jeremy 10 out of 10 for his leadership of the party, and she wrote many of the policies in that now-dumped manifesto. So yes - she is a friend of Jeremy and also gets a tick for being toxic. And yes - a tick for the one supports the other.

No need for any bogeymen; the disastrous Labour leadership generate all the toxins necessary to dissuade ordinary working folk from voting for them.

The only hope is that Lisa Nandy comes through as the genuine 'compromise' candidate.

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Rozza wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51255529

Politics of the Ostrich alive and kicking today. I wonder if Ms Bailey will be as blinkered and blimpish?


The media plant the seeds and joe public follow the inevitable narrative.

The head of a Trade Union is poison Tick.

RLB a friend of Jeremy Corbyn must also be toxic. Tick.

One supports the other, beware of the Bogeymen. Tick.

Oh to be so easily brainwashed.


The media don't plant the seed - it is the stuff that comes out of McCluskey's own mouth that 'the public' recognise as unreconstructed 1960s communist rhetoric. So yes - he gets a tick for poison.

The media don't plant the seed - it is RLB herself who gave Jeremy 10 out of 10 for his leadership of the party, and she wrote many of the policies in that now-dumped manifesto. So yes - she is a friend of Jeremy and also gets a tick for being toxic. And yes - a tick for the one supports the other.

No need for any bogeymen; the disastrous Labour leadership generate all the toxins necessary to dissuade ordinary working folk from voting for them.

The only hope is that Lisa Nandy comes through as the genuine 'compromise' candidate.


Great response SW. Knocker and his ilk cannot see that it is the people themselves who create the toxicity and so they continue to blame the biased media and miss the point and the opportunity to change direction. Like you, I think Lisa Nandy looks the best option.

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Good to see Jeremy with the Royals at the Holocaust memorial.

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Good to see Jeremy with the Royals at the Holocaust memorial.

I do hope he clapped at the right moments?


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Hugh Grant effectively is right. Democracy doesn't exist. Labour have little chance of ever winning power again. We live in an semi fascist dictatorship with Murdoch controlling the PM and the right wing MSM screaming Marxist at anybody left of Thatcher and the masses agreeing.

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Hugh Grant effectively is right. Democracy doesn't exist. Labour have little chance of ever winning power again. We live in an semi fascist dictatorship with Murdoch controlling the PM and the right wing MSM screaming Marxist at anybody left of Thatcher and the masses agreeing.


Infamy, infamy...... :roll:

Hugh Grant that firebrand of socialist dogma, the peoples champion ha . the only bloke whoever went to bed with a prostitute because he couldn't get up hurley enough........ and so on and so forth.

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Hugh Grant effectively is right. Democracy doesn't exist. Labour have little chance of ever winning power again. We live in an semi fascist dictatorship with Murdoch controlling the PM and the right wing MSM screaming Marxist at anybody left of Thatcher and the masses agreeing.


Haha once again a failure to understand the reality that the majority of the electorate do not like what the Labour Party currently is. Keep on blaming the media and don't change - that is what will prevent Labour winning power again. You keep banging on about the likes of Murdoch and MSM but you need to learn that the electorate will continue to make up their own mind based on the actions and deeds and proposed policies of the Labour Party.

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What a difference a month makes eh?

Just a month ago in December the Tories described Labours Rail Nationalisation Plans as “too expensive”, “terrible economics”, “anti-competition”, “anti-capitalism” & “it won’t improve the railways”.

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What a difference a month makes eh?

Just a month ago in December the Tories described Labours Rail Nationalisation Plans as “too expensive”, “terrible economics”, “anti-competition”, “anti-capitalism” & “it won’t improve the railways”.

Yeah ok...


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At PMQs Jeremy Corbyn said bed occupancy is at 94%.

That's correct and seems to refer to occupancy levels of general and acute hospital beds in England. The most recent winter figures for week beginning 17 Feb show occupancy was around 94% on most days.


https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... 9-20-data/

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At PMQs Jeremy Corbyn said bed occupancy is at 94%.

That's correct and seems to refer to occupancy levels of general and acute hospital beds in England. The most recent winter figures for week beginning 17 Feb show occupancy was around 94% on most days.


https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... 9-20-data/



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