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The public's health and the NHS are too important nowadays to be used as a political table tennis ball. Let's have a referendum on this...


Did your op go ahead then Gladbach? All ok?



Yes, thanks, LB, it went ahead at 19-00 and I was back home by 8 p.m. Bit blurry vision for a few days, can see well long distance but reading a paper etc needs reading glasses. Onwards and upwards.


You watching more three mile chases than 5f sprints on the telly then Dave? :lol:

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Watching both, Roz, on ATR...:-)

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The public's health and the NHS are too important nowadays to be used as a political table tennis ball. Let's have a referendum on this...


Did your op go ahead then Gladbach? All ok?



Yes, thanks, LB, it went ahead at 19-00 and I was back home by 8 p.m. Bit blurry vision for a few days, can see well long distance but reading a paper etc needs reading glasses. Onwards and upwards.


Glad it went well.

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Thankyou NHS because of a monumental fuck up I'm going to a family funeral today..

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Thankyou NHS because of a monumental fuck up I'm going to a family funeral today..



I'm sorry to hear that KK. My commiserations.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... pay-drugs/

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/

That's going to help us.


But it works for them though. Even if they have no intention of carrying out the threat, any hint of an attack on our untouchable NHS and every politician in our land runs screaming to the hills . This is why Trump is so popular in redneck land.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ining.html

very revealing.....

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Today, The UK media will happily spin for Theresa May that she’s giving the NHS £20bn.
To put that figure into context, since 2010 the Tories have handed £50 billion of NHS cash to Private Health Profiteers.
They must be licking their lips at this announcement.

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Today, The UK media will happily spin for Theresa May that she’s giving the NHS £20bn.
To put that figure into context, since 2010 the Tories have handed £50 billion of NHS cash to Private Health Profiteers.
They must be licking their lips at this announcement.


And most of those initiatives were of course facilitated by the previous Labour government. Interesting that you can find the bad even in what appears to me to be a positive initiative. Take it for what it is. My fear is that the money will be spent on the wrong things in the wrong places as happened under Blair previously. It needs proper control and direction.

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Mounting NHS vacancies becoming 'national emergency'



https://nursingnotes.co.uk/mounting-nhs ... emergency/

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Mounting NHS vacancies becoming 'national emergency'



https://nursingnotes.co.uk/mounting-nhs ... emergency/


A consequence of the Labour Government's insistence in the noughties that much more NHS care would be in the community and there would be a reducing need for nurses in hospitals. The plans were made accordingly despite protests from staff (including myself) that the reduction wouldn't happen. Managers at the time were in fear of upsetting Mr Tory B Liar so the plans were made. The Tories failed to correct the position and the NHS is suffering now as a result but I have no doubt in my mind that the previous Labour government were equally at fault.

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A hospital trust will move its entire elective orthopaedic service to a private company’s facility after agreeing an 18 month partnership https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-perfo ... 74.article



When you underfund the NHS, it loses capacity. This opens the door to the increasing privatisation of the service. It’s one of the many mechanisms of privatisation that this Government is using to undermine our public services.

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A hospital trust will move its entire elective orthopaedic service to a private company’s facility after agreeing an 18 month partnership https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-perfo ... 74.article



When you underfund the NHS, it loses capacity. This opens the door to the increasing privatisation of the service. It’s one of the many mechanisms of privatisation that this Government is using to undermine our public services.


If the service is as good or better, and free at the point of delivery, what's the difference ?

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If it wasn't for the NHS paying for two cataract operations done by a private hospital, I'd still be half blind now. Postcode Lottery, I was in the right place at the right time. As to the ethics of this outsourcing, good and bad equally...….some benefit, others stay in the queues.

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A hospital trust will move its entire elective orthopaedic service to a private company’s facility after agreeing an 18 month partnership https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-perfo ... 74.article



When you underfund the NHS, it loses capacity. This opens the door to the increasing privatisation of the service. It’s one of the many mechanisms of privatisation that this Government is using to undermine our public services.


The outsourcing of clinical services from NHS to private providers largely came about as a result of developments in 2004/5 when the Labour government encouraged collaboration with private providers, the development of private sector treatment centres and the idea of more choice for patients. Although it was extended in 2012 when the Tories introduced the Health and Social Care Act it is interesting that you regard this as a Tory tactic towards privatisation when it was introduced by the Labour government.

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A doctor on the radio yesterday was courting sympathy for himself and his colleagues. He cried that the pressure of work was making him and his friends take early retirement.

Perhaps they are being paid too much. Can you afford early retirement ?

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Not sure if any of you have seen this, volunteers for the NHS. I will sign up to help out and also give something back into the system that has helped me a lot in my life.

https://www.helpforce.community/pledge/

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"Health spending has risen by an avg of 3.7% a yr in real terms since the NHS was founded 70 yrs ago. At 1.4% a year, spending growth over the last 8 years (2010-18) has been slower than at any time in the NHS’s history." - The IFS

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Your mis-use of statistics is fascinating. Data are data and are objective, but interpretation of data is subjective.

As inflation over recent years has been at record lows, there are other ways of looking at it. I remember much higher inflation - and a mortgage rate of over 16%! Let's consider....

If inflation is 10% and extra given to NHS is 3.3% higher (ie 13.3%), then that is 33% above the rate of inflation.

If inflation is 2%, and the extra given is 2.0% higher (ie 4%), then that is 100% above the rate of inflation.

Which is the more generous settlement? Matter of opinion, not 'FACT'.

And remember, the government has NO money - only the money we are willing to give to it to defend the nation, pay for public services, social services, health service, education....

If we want 'gold-plated' services, we have to accept a much higher rate of taxation. Which party will propose? Which party will be elected?

The French are in massive trouble, paying themselves far too generously from the public purse. Macron has tried to raise a few quid by raising taxes, and the French have once again taken to the streets with violence in response.

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Nicely pointed out Silverstone.

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Ha ha

I started off some years ago now in a similar fashion. Politely pointing out errors in logic, and never reverting to ranting, personal insults.

He got me in the end. Good luck to you lads. Run with the baton of common sense, but be prepared to hand it over when his sheer bloody mindedness wears you down to the level of the seventies South Bank.

It will happen. Trust me.

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Your mis-use of statistics is fascinating. Data are data and are objective, but interpretation of data is subjective.

As inflation over recent years has been at record lows, there are other ways of looking at it. I remember much higher inflation - and a mortgage rate of over 16%! Let's consider....

If inflation is 10% and extra given to NHS is 3.3% higher (ie 13.3%), then that is 33% above the rate of inflation.

If inflation is 2%, and the extra given is 2.0% higher (ie 4%), then that is 100% above the rate of inflation.

Which is the more generous settlement? Matter of opinion, not 'FACT'.

And remember, the government has NO money - only the money we are willing to give to it to defend the nation, pay for public services, social services, health service, education....

If we want 'gold-plated' services, we have to accept a much higher rate of taxation. Which party will propose? Which party will be elected?

The French are in massive trouble, paying themselves far too generously from the public purse. Macron has tried to raise a few quid by raising taxes, and the French have once again taken to the streets with violence in response.

Life ain't easy?


I did point out previously on this same thread that spending on the NHS has gone up year on year under this government.
Yet nobody remarked how that fact was misleading.

You see Conservative ministers continue to mislead by talking up spending on front line services without telling the voter the requirements.

As an example the head of the NHS has spoken of the need for a 4% yearly rise in spending just to maintain existing levels of treatment and care.

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Your mis-use of statistics is fascinating. Data are data and are objective, but interpretation of data is subjective.

As inflation over recent years has been at record lows, there are other ways of looking at it. I remember much higher inflation - and a mortgage rate of over 16%! Let's consider....

If inflation is 10% and extra given to NHS is 3.3% higher (ie 13.3%), then that is 33% above the rate of inflation.

If inflation is 2%, and the extra given is 2.0% higher (ie 4%), then that is 100% above the rate of inflation.

Which is the more generous settlement? Matter of opinion, not 'FACT'.

And remember, the government has NO money - only the money we are willing to give to it to defend the nation, pay for public services, social services, health service, education....

If we want 'gold-plated' services, we have to accept a much higher rate of taxation. Which party will propose? Which party will be elected?

The French are in massive trouble, paying themselves far too generously from the public purse. Macron has tried to raise a few quid by raising taxes, and the French have once again taken to the streets with violence in response.

Life ain't easy?


I did point out previously on this same thread that spending on the NHS has gone up year on year under this government.
Yet nobody remarked how that fact was misleading.

You see Conservative ministers continue to mislead by talking up spending on front line services without telling the voter the requirements.

As an example the head of the NHS has spoken of the need for a 4% yearly rise in spending just to maintain existing levels of treatment and care.


If you break your arm chopping wood, your arm doesn't get better by doing more of the same. The NHS is bureaucracy on Indian/Chinese Civil Service levels. Like them, tit lives in the nineteenth century. Things will never get better until some party has the balls to admit it's broken and start afresh. Labour's plan to print money and throw it at a failing monolith will never work, and Conservative's lack of bottle to grasp change is equally as useless.

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Labour's plan to print money and throw it at a failing monolith will never work, and Conservative's lack of bottle to grasp change is equally as useless.


Very true Suiging. I would also point out that some of the senior executives in the NHS including some Medical staff who plead for greater funding have little interest in weeding out poor practices and are often about feathering their own nests. It is true that the demand on the NHS does increase by around 4% annually but properly tackling bureaucratic and outmoded processes could save much more than that.

I feel certain that if Labour gain power and throw money at the NHS via severe taxation it will still not be enough.

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I noticed in Labours broadcast last night they said that they will recruit enough doctors and nurses to meet the needs of the NHS. I just wonder where they are hiding these people. I know of a number of local NHS organisations who have been trying very hard to increase the number of doctors and nurses they have over several years now but the staff are simply not available. Mostly, hospitals compete with each other and staff just move around within the NHS. This is not a matter of money not being available, some places have even been willing to overspend if necessary to obtain the staff but the supply is not there.

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NHS England

Patients waiting more than 4 hours in A&E

Y/E Dec 2010 353,617

Y/E Jan 2019 2,964,268 (+738%)

Patients waiting more than 4 hours from decision to admission

Y/E Dec 2010 61,969

Y/E Jan 2019 640,202 (+933%)

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On this day 2002.
Gordon Brown gives £40bn 'Kiss of Life' to the NHS to "make our NHS the best insurance policy in the world".

He used a 1p in the pound hike in National Insurance contributions to pay for the UK's biggest ever increase in health service funding.

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On this day 2002.
Gordon Brown gives £40bn 'Kiss of Life' to the NHS to "make our NHS the best insurance policy in the world".

He used a 1p in the pound hike in National Insurance contributions to pay for the UK's biggest ever increase in health service funding.


Was that before or after he gave away our Naional Reserves

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On this day 2002.
Gordon Brown gives £40bn 'Kiss of Life' to the NHS to "make our NHS the best insurance policy in the world".

He used a 1p in the pound hike in National Insurance contributions to pay for the UK's biggest ever increase in health service funding.


Was that before or after he gave away our Naional Reserves


I believe Gordon did in fact come back from the market once with some magic beans in exchange for a fatted calf, I may be mixing metaphors though as my memory is fading.

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