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The Bank of England's policy makers have told MP's that they expect the banks to pass on the base rate rise, but cannot force them, I would like to know, Why?
He also said that customers should be prepared to change banks if their bank did not pass on the rise..
Who can you move to?? Another bank that has not passed on the rise.

Today's budget made no effort to help savers


The budget is irrelevant


Some stats from the budget that don't seem to be reported much (cos obviously a pint not going up 1p is the most important media story here):

- Deficit not due to be eliminated until 2031 (16 years late).
- Growth below 2% in every forecast year for first time in modern history.
- Annual pay not due to return to 2008 peak until 2025.

So just to be clear. Austerity, which was meant to clear the deficit, has actually had the opposite effect and caused the deficit to increase by killing growth and productivity. Which many people said would happen.

Just look at a chart showing the forecasted growth rates for the UK compared to the other G7 countries.

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Even Italy, who just a few years ago were thought to be going the way of Greece is projected to grow faster.


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That made me smile.

Your facts have been taken from the OBR. The Office for Budget Responsibility, who along with the Bank of England have been elevated since Gordon Brown started to believe in them ( along with Scottish Goalkeepers and his Gold predictions ) to almost Moses like status casting down pearls of wisdom and protestations as if handed down from God.

The same group predicted six months after the VOTE TO LEAVE ( not actual Brexit) the pound would be collected by the barrow-load and the UK would resemble the wasteland in a Mad Max film. They failed in their collective wisdom to spot the 2008 crash, and they failed to even acknowledge, hiding behind their title ready for more of the same, their epic failures in crystal balling THIS YEAR'S figures or even LAST YEARS.

Do you believe they know what will happen post Brexit. If you do how ? Why aren't they all in the Carib sucking up blow from some super model's tits on the back of their God like visions ?.....Bollocks

Now if you do take their post budget drivel as gospel, why have the figures suddenly plunged ? The Times headline is " Hammond eases off austerity". Mmmm I wonder ? Could the actual straying from the path of living within your means, hosted on poor Phillip by politics which has become a popularity contest, be the cause ? ........An equally valid view perhaps as yours ?

If you inherit a country up to it's neck in debt ( never forget that's what happened) you have two choices. Tighten the belt and try to regain some form of fiscal control or go the other option. the wonderful Shadow Chancellor when asked what the other option would cost the country, said he didn't have his iPad, and he had aides for such nonsense why should he know the figures ? Is he a buffoon like Abbott ?

Sadly no. He is a weasel and a Marxist tyrant just waiting to pounce. Abbott's maths has played beautifully into his hands. He can dodge any question on what your "Spend spend spend" politics will actually mean to the country by hiding behind this veil of incompetence, safe in the knowledge that his pit-bulls control social media, and any actual fiscal competence is now firmly portrayed as being the sanctuary of elitist scum. Ruling the country with a team who don't know their three times table is actually cool....right ?

He is no Abbott. But he's not likely to tell the likes of you and I the true cost of "Spend spend spend". If he did, even Momentum could't beat up enough people to keep the consequences under wraps.


Your predictions on post Brexit Britain are about as useless as a chocolate tea-pot. No one knows what will happen. Certainly not a bunch who's recent track record is about as good as Cameron's was on the referendum, or May's on the last election.

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If you fail to invest in our people and your infrastructure you stagnate.

But the Tories always did want a low paid, low skilled, low regulated economy with an underemployed work force.

Will England ever wake up to the Tories incompetence?

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If you fail to invest in our people and your infrastructure you stagnate.

But the Tories always did want a low paid, low skilled, low regulated economy with an underemployed work force.

Will England ever wake up to the Tories incompetence?


Rhetoric

Facts to back it up ?

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If you fail to invest in our people and your infrastructure you stagnate.

But the Tories always did want a low paid, low skilled, low regulated economy with an underemployed work force.

Will England ever wake up to the Tories incompetence?


So did Blair.

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If you fail to invest in our people and your infrastructure you stagnate.

But the Tories always did want a low paid, low skilled, low regulated economy with an underemployed work force.

Will England ever wake up to the Tories incompetence?


So did Blair.

However I agree that successive govenments have allowed many skilled jobs (esp. tech sector) to be offshored-and we are the poorer for it.


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If you fail to invest in our people and your infrastructure you stagnate.

But the Tories always did want a low paid, low skilled, low regulated economy with an underemployed work force.

Will England ever wake up to the Tories incompetence?


So did Blair.

However I agree that successive govenments have allowed many skilled jobs (esp. tech sector) to be offshored-and we are the poorer for it.


Three things you can level at Blair, he allowed himself to be bullied by Bush regards going to war.
He continued with the low regulated mantra as laid out by Thatcher/Major,
And he allowed Alan Milburn do further develop the private sector within the NHS.

What you cant deny is under Blair ALL front line services started to get the required funding taking them to the same levels as our continental neighbours.

What we have now just using the NHS as an example is funding per person 21 per cent lower than France, 28 per cent lower than Germany.

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What you cant deny is under Blair ALL front line services started to get the required funding taking them to the same levels as our continental neighbours.

What we have now just using the NHS as an example is funding per person 21 per cent lower than France, 28 per cent lower than Germany.


The difficulty with that analysis is how much of that funding from Labour was "real" money in the economy or just fluffy accountancy which was exposed when the crunch came. It might be argued that there was no substance when the crisis came thus it all disappeared very quickly and it was left to the Tories to pick up the pieces which they have been doing so by austerity measures. I don't like to argue for the Tories, I think they are pretty much an uncaring party but I do think that the selfish megalomania of Blair has been a significant contributory factor to the difficulties we are now facing economically.

I would also point out that, from my experience, the increased funding which went to the NHS at the time was largely targeted at increasing bureaucracy, more jobs for the boys, failed technology, development of pet research and innovation programmes and paying for private sector capital investment programmes for hospital buildings. It largely did not get to the front line for day to day patient care. There are lies, damned lies and statistics...

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Here's some insight about Wanker Green and his mate Davis plus other Tories and how they put pressure on Policemen.

Using their media and other Tory hard hitters to undermine the legal process.

Page twelve onwards.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... -Quick.pdf

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Here's some insight about Wanker Green and his mate Davis plus other Tories and how they put pressure on Policemen.

Using their media and other Tory hard hitters to undermine the legal process.

Page twelve onwards.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... -Quick.pdf


A very bitter account if you actually read it all KK. A man who felt he was left out to dry by his seniors/colleagues.

At his rank, I find the naivety of it all quite surprising.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Here's some insight about Wanker Green and his mate Davis plus other Tories and how they put pressure on Policemen.

Using their media and other Tory hard hitters to undermine the legal process.

Page twelve onwards.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... -Quick.pdf


A very bitter account if you actually read it all KK. A man who felt he was left out to dry by his seniors/colleagues.

At his rank, I find the naivety of it all quite surprising.


I thought it was interesting how at various stages key figures would try and undermine him and try and get him to drop the case.

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Here's some insight about Wanker Green and his mate Davis plus other Tories and how they put pressure on Policemen.

Using their media and other Tory hard hitters to undermine the legal process.

Page twelve onwards.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... -Quick.pdf


A very bitter account if you actually read it all KK. A man who felt he was left out to dry by his seniors/colleagues.

At his rank, I find the naivety of it all quite surprising.


I thought it was interesting how at various stages key figures would try and undermine him and try and get him to drop the case.


The mine points of aim appear to be at "Shadow" ministers. I wonder why the "Real" ministers, Labour, didn't jump to his defence ?

Dirty game politics. No doubt the old "throwing stones in greenhouses" came to mind

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It is interesting to note how hard the "pro Tory" BBC have gone for Green. Just think what they would have done to him had they been anti Tory! :roll:

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Government spending on early years education has fallen by more than £650 million since 2010, according to a Whitehall analysis.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f3e9 ... 5e82b139be

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Consider the facts. By almost any measure, the past decade has been a disaster for living standards. Unemployment has fallen from its post financial-crisis peaks across the developed world but workers have found it hard to make ends meet. Earnings growth has halved in the UK even though the latest set of unemployment figures show that the jobless rate is the lowest since 1975.
The reason is not hard to find. Unions are far less powerful; collective bargaining in most of the private sector is a thing of the past; part-time working has boomed; and people who were once employed by a company are now part of the gig economy.
Seen in the simplest terms, the story of political economy over the past four decades is a class war between capital and labour, which capital has won hands down. The battlefield is littered with evidence of labour’s defeat: nugatory pay awards, precarious work, the collapse of collective bargaining, and cuts in public spending.
There are still one or two politicians around who are unembarrassed about espousing the politics of class. Bernie Sanders is one; Jeremy Corbyn is another. Neither has bought into the argument – increasingly prevalent on the left since the 1970s – that nation states are powerless in the face of global market forces. Rather, Sanders and Corbyn say the state can and should be used as aggressively by the left as it has been by the right. This runs counter to the whole third-way approach pursued by Bill Clinton in the US and Tony Blair in the UK, which stated that centre-left governments had to come to an accommodation with the markets, in which accommodation meant repealing Roosevelt’s curbs on Wall Street’s speculative activities and using taxpayers’ money to top up poverty wages through tax credits.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu

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Consider the facts. By almost any measure, the past decade has been a disaster for living standards. Unemployment has fallen from its post financial-crisis peaks across the developed world but workers have found it hard to make ends meet. Earnings growth has halved in the UK even though the latest set of unemployment figures show that the jobless rate is the lowest since 1975.
The reason is not hard to find. Unions are far less powerful; collective bargaining in most of the private sector is a thing of the past; part-time working has boomed; and people who were once employed by a company are now part of the gig economy.
Seen in the simplest terms, the story of political economy over the past four decades is a class war between capital and labour, which capital has won hands down. The battlefield is littered with evidence of labour’s defeat: nugatory pay awards, precarious work, the collapse of collective bargaining, and cuts in public spending.
There are still one or two politicians around who are unembarrassed about espousing the politics of class. Bernie Sanders is one; Jeremy Corbyn is another. Neither has bought into the argument – increasingly prevalent on the left since the 1970s – that nation states are powerless in the face of global market forces. Rather, Sanders and Corbyn say the state can and should be used as aggressively by the left as it has been by the right. This runs counter to the whole third-way approach pursued by Bill Clinton in the US and Tony Blair in the UK, which stated that centre-left governments had to come to an accommodation with the markets, in which accommodation meant repealing Roosevelt’s curbs on Wall Street’s speculative activities and using taxpayers’ money to top up poverty wages through tax credits.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu


Unions failing to see the reality globalisation brought this country to it's knees. Well run, and crucially run for the benefit of their members rather than a failed political ideology, they can be a beautiful thing. Corbyn's cabal will bring up the power of the unions in Scandinavia as a lie to press his claims. They/he always forget to mention the almost totally control placed on those Unions by legislation. This forces them to the table for the benefit of their members not at the beck and call of some hippy marxists. This control makes them viable and balances their society and working practises.

Corbyn and Sanders want the Unions all powerful for political control. If they get it, prepare for the black-outs and three day weeks to return. A nightmare scenario for those of us who lived through it, one we hoped was confined to the bin of history. They won't to remove all legislative constraints from their masters ( sorry Unions) to use them to instigate a class war. A war they dreamed of in their school days, a war they should have grown out of as adults. Sadly they are not adults. They have never worked. They have never held any real power. They call out via thugs to the gullible and use those thugs to harass and demonise the true hard working Labour supporters and representatives.

They are truly dangerous. Don't fall for their dated, unworkable, communist bullshit.

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Consider the facts. By almost any measure, the past decade has been a disaster for living standards. Unemployment has fallen from its post financial-crisis peaks across the developed world but workers have found it hard to make ends meet. Earnings growth has halved in the UK even though the latest set of unemployment figures show that the jobless rate is the lowest since 1975.
The reason is not hard to find. Unions are far less powerful; collective bargaining in most of the private sector is a thing of the past; part-time working has boomed; and people who were once employed by a company are now part of the gig economy.
Seen in the simplest terms, the story of political economy over the past four decades is a class war between capital and labour, which capital has won hands down. The battlefield is littered with evidence of labour’s defeat: nugatory pay awards, precarious work, the collapse of collective bargaining, and cuts in public spending.
There are still one or two politicians around who are unembarrassed about espousing the politics of class. Bernie Sanders is one; Jeremy Corbyn is another. Neither has bought into the argument – increasingly prevalent on the left since the 1970s – that nation states are powerless in the face of global market forces. Rather, Sanders and Corbyn say the state can and should be used as aggressively by the left as it has been by the right. This runs counter to the whole third-way approach pursued by Bill Clinton in the US and Tony Blair in the UK, which stated that centre-left governments had to come to an accommodation with the markets, in which accommodation meant repealing Roosevelt’s curbs on Wall Street’s speculative activities and using taxpayers’ money to top up poverty wages through tax credits.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... CMP=twt_gu


Unions failing to see the reality globalisation brought this country to it's knees. Well run, and crucially run for the benefit of their members rather than a failed political ideology, they can be a beautiful thing. Corbyn's cabal will bring up the power of the unions in Scandinavia as a lie to press his claims. They/he always forget to mention the almost totally control placed on those Unions by legislation. This forces them to the table for the benefit of their members not at the beck and call of some hippy marxists. This control makes them viable and balances their society and working practises.

Corbyn and Sanders want the Unions all powerful for political control. If they get it, prepare for the black-outs and three day weeks to return. A nightmare scenario for those of us who lived through it, one we hoped was confined to the bin of history. They want to remove all legislative constraints from their masters ( sorry Unions) to use them to instigate a class war. A war they dreamed of in their school days, a war they should have grown out of as adults. Sadly they are not adults. They have never worked. They have never held any real power. They call out via thugs to the gullible and use those thugs to harass and demonise the true hard working Labour supporters and representatives.

They are truly dangerous. Don't fall for their dated, unworkable, communist bullshit.

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The sad part is for many English people of a certain vintage swallowed that claptrap as dolled out by right wing media for decades.
Hook line and sinker, it was rubbish then as it is rubbish now.

Difference now is more people under the age of forty are free thinkers and research the real truth.

And from that you see the clear division within society, its an age different mentality.

Corbyn as was Tony Benn 40 years ago was right.

The trouble for the elite who blamed a working class bogeyman be that Unions or other, is that over time they get found out.

Found out industrially when without Union strength they fail to develop markets, fail to invest, fail to do research and development.
Fail decade after decade with NO long term thinking.

There were HUGE EU markets waiting to be used by the Brits but they failed their workers.

Don't blame the Germans for your failings, have a closer look in the mirror.

The young who research can see it, they can see that Jeremy Corbyn was right all along.

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The young who research can see it, they can see that Jeremy Corbyn was right all along.


I am not as convinced as you that "the young" (using a generalisation) really do that much research other than the intellectuals who have always existed anyway. I think they are interested in Corbyn's populist policies - e.g. Cancelling student loans - without understanding the financial implications. Even if it's true that a socialist approach could improve industrialisation as significantly as you suggest, it would take a number of years and the financial demands in the meantime (no student loans, NHS, Social Care, Education, Police, Armed forces etc.) will get a lot worse before things get better.

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The young who research can see it, they can see that Jeremy Corbyn was right all along.


I am not as convinced as you that "the young" (using a generalisation) really do that much research other than the intellectuals who have always existed anyway. I think they are interested in Corbyn's populist policies - e.g. Cancelling student loans - without understanding the financial implications. Even if it's true that a socialist approach could improve industrialisation as significantly as you suggest, it would take a number of years and the financial demands in the meantime (no student loans, NHS, Social Care, Education, Police, Armed forces etc.) will get a lot worse before things get better.


The mantra of robbing Peter to pay Paul has led every socialist/communist country to economic ruin

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Away from an election campaign the right wing media works tirelessly trying to build up the May ticket, the elite establishment ticket.

When Corbyn gains upwards of 30 per cent air time you will see his rise again.

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Away from an election campaign the right wing media works tirelessly trying to build up the May ticket, the elite establishment ticket.

When Corbyn gains upwards of 30 per cent air time you will see his rise again.

Please feel free to underestimate our Jeremy at this time.


I believe "Comedy Gold" are lining him up after their Only Fools and Horses rerun season comes to an end. Patience Knocker. Dell Boy just has the edge at present.

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Yesterday the Tories once again showed their true colours.

In each local area you can raise 75 per cent capital to spend on yourselves.

Good for places like Surrey who have rich residents and can retain or develop council services.

Bad for Labour heartlands, the West Midlands and the North.

And who gets the blame when your local library is closed or your bins hardly emptied.

Not central government, the rascals.

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Damien Green will be wanking from home for the foreseeable future.

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Maybe Theresa will send him Alexa for Christmas.

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Maybe Theresa will send him Alexa for Christmas.


She's more likely to give him a Quickie in the new year.

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The new years smoke and mirrors load of bollocks honours list.

Give a few gongs to your favourites while loading the Lords with their mates, for cash and opportunities given.

Corrupt scam. And you pay for it.

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Yesterday the Tories once again showed their true colours.


So here's a question despite everything the Tories do, why are Labour in the new year poll still only 1% ahead?

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CANNOCK WOLF wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
Yesterday the Tories once again showed their true colours.


So here's a question despite everything the Tories do, why are Labour in the new year poll still only 1% ahead?


Depends who you ask, I would say they ask people who still gain their news the old way through the news media and BBC.

Massively skewed to give an establishment bias.

Take for instance the appointment of Toby Young yesterday, he wont split opinion with the masses.

But those who are politically motivated view his sort totally different.

Now when he gets air time, and he gets considerable, Joe Public will think him unbiased and truthful.

Meanwhile centrist to left wing political people view him as a Lord Haw Haw creature.

Add to that Dacre and Murdoch have massive influence over Conservative government policy, but its just not discussed.
Whats more worrying is the influence they have over the people.

This relates to Rozzas post in this news forum, How much of Joe Public trust this Government with policing of the country.

Are they properly informed?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/i ... inspector/

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 Post subject: Re: This Government.
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Here's a question for you Cannock.

Give three reasons why people vote Tory.

And is that reasoning correct or misinformed?

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