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Ah! So we have ‘relative poverty’, based on an arbitrary algorithm...

But similarly we would need to define ‘absolute poverty’....

Of course I accept there are significant numbers of folk and children who are genuinely in poverty and who need our collective support, but it is nowhere near the numbers quoted by some politically motivated groups.

When people speak about these things on ALL sides of the political debate, they should make clear - or be MADE to make clear - the definitions they are using.

Too much casuistry!!

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Ah! So we have ‘relative poverty’, based on an arbitrary algorithm...

But similarly we would need to define ‘absolute poverty’....

Of course I accept there are significant numbers of folk and children who are genuinely in poverty and who need our collective support, but it is nowhere near the numbers quoted by some politically motivated groups.

When people speak about these things on ALL sides of the political debate, they should make clear - or be MADE to make clear - the definitions they are using.

Too much casuistry!!


Its a key finding within the nation which requires more detail to come to better conclusions.

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1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

This is the scum you will elect into government tomorrow.

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1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

This is the scum you will elect into government tomorrow.


I'm not sure of the truth of all of this but I bet you haven't checked the veracity of all the counter items which have been reported either. In particular, I would ask "what evidence is there as to who first said that there was a punch thrown - or are your left wing media guys just speculating, and what direct evidence do you have that Hancock was behind the fake response or is is just speculation again that somebody said somebody knows somebody who knows Hancock and therefore he *may* be behind it? If there is firm evidence I would suggest that the police should be involved But I am inclined to think that there is some inaccuracy/fabrication/exaggeration/speculation on both sides here. And the scum to which you refer exists on both sides.

If I'm honest I would not trust Cummings, Johnson, McDonnell or McClusky (The latter two being the strings pulling Corbyn) an inch and I won't be voting for any of them. As there are only 4 candidates in my constituency and Lib Dem and the Greens will be nonentities in the greater scheme of things I don't know how I can realistically exercise my democratic right to vote tomorrow.

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1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

This is the scum you will elect into government tomorrow.


I'm not sure of the truth of all of this but I bet you haven't checked the veracity of all the counter items which have been reported either. In particular, I would ask "what evidence is there as to who first said that there was a punch thrown - or are your left wing media guys just speculating, and what direct evidence do you have that Hancock was behind the fake response or is is just speculation again that somebody said somebody knows somebody who knows Hancock and therefore he *may* be behind it? If there is firm evidence I would suggest that the police should be involved But I am inclined to think that there is some inaccuracy/fabrication/exaggeration/speculation on both sides here. And the scum to which you refer exists on both sides.

If I'm honest I would not trust Cummings, Johnson, McDonnell or McClusky (The latter two being the strings pulling Corbyn) an inch and I won't be voting for any of them. As there are only 4 candidates in my constituency and Lib Dem and the Greens will be nonentities in the greater scheme of things I don't know how I can realistically exercise my democratic right to vote tomorrow.


In some respects it is your democratic vote that you should be voting for. The first thing to go in a totalitarian state is the power to deselect the ruling cadre. I honestly believe the good people that exist in socialism will prevail, and in a 'Night of the Long Knives" get rid of the communist cabal who run a once proud party if they lose. The price for that, is a Tory vote tomorrow.

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1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

4. There is uproar about Johnson's lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

5. Matt Hancock briefs journalists that, while at the hospital, one of his advisors was "punched" by a Labour activist.

6. Much of the media unquestioningly report the "punch" by the "Labour activist" as fact without checking the validity of the allegation. Widespread rage about "violent Labour activists" spreads like wildfire online.

7. Video footage then emerges online showing that the story had been entirely fabricated and was 100% false.

8. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

9. A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a "good friend" of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a "Labour activist". The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

10. The claim is unquestioning reported as fact by much of the media without checking its validity.

11. Suspicions of the validity of the claim are then raised as it is discovered there are literally thousands and thousands of Facebook and Twitter accounts posting exactly the same claim, word for word.

12. It becomes clear that bots are being used to spread disinformation. The hospital also confirms the accuracy of the photo and that it had already apologised to the mother.

13. The media sheepishly backtrack on what they have posted out to the world.

14. The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has "hacked".

15. Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend's comments on the post.

16. It's then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn's son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

17. It's… Matt Hancock's account!!!

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a "punch" to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend's Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

This is the scum you will elect into government tomorrow.

The Tories on this forum need to read this again without a closed mindset.
Let this sink in, take off your minds shackles.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/12/10/trol ... -campaign/

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The Tories on this forum need to read this again without a closed mindset.
Let this sink in, take off your minds shackles.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/12/10/trol ... -campaign/


I think you need to take your own advice on many issues.

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If Johnson wants to do something right with his huge majority its review the Irish backstop.

He could then avoid a bloodbath and a United Ireland.

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Hong Kong's richest family took £130million in dividends last year from just ONE of Britain's water companies.
Northumbrian Water Limited has paid a total of £1.7billion in dividends to its owner, Hong Kong billionaire Sir Li Ka-shing, since he bought it for £2.4billion in 2011

Sod the investment to improve front line services.

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Hong Kong's richest family took £130million in dividends last year from just ONE of Britain's water companies.
Northumbrian Water Limited has paid a total of £1.7billion in dividends to its owner, Hong Kong billionaire Sir Li Ka-shing, since he bought it for £2.4billion in 2011

Sod the investment to improve front line services.


This is a Private Limited Company.

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Sir Iain Duncan Smith

Let that sink in.

In a parrarel universe that bloke would face execution for War crimes.

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Sir Iain Duncan Smith

Let that sink in.

In a parrarel universe that bloke would face execution for War crimes.


I let it sink in and, you know what, I cared not.

Interesting what war crimes your parallel thought processes think he committed. perhaps you could show me 10 minutes worth of 12 angry men to demonstrate. :smt015

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Closer to the Champions League than the Championship

For the club that was in League One not so long ago

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Closer to the Champions League than the Championship

For the club that was in League One not so long ago

Is this the best Wolves team since the Fifties?


It might be but I don't think they are ready to govern the country yet. :wink:

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Closer to the Champions League than the Championship

For the club that was in League One not so long ago

Is this the best Wolves team since the Fifties?



If you could add four players from the current side to that from 1970 you wouldn't be far off a title winning side.

Keeper, right back, Centre back and wide right player.

Traore would be perfect back then because the game was more about individual duels and one on one engagement.

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Sir Iain Duncan Smith

Let that sink in.

In a parrarel universe that bloke would face execution for War crimes.


I let it sink in and, you know what, I cared not.

Interesting what war crimes your parallel thought processes think he committed. perhaps you could show me 10 minutes worth of 12 angry men to demonstrate. :smt015


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I guess some folk who are fortunate not to be on the sharp end of Universal Credit can sit in their high towers and not give a fuck.

Says a lot.

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I guess some folk who are fortunate not to be on the sharp end of Universal Credit can sit in their high towers and not give a fuck.

Says a lot.


The folk that are on that unjust , totally useless scheme, should by all that is Holy voted for your mob KK. They didn't, did they ?

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Hong Kong's richest family took £130million in dividends last year from just ONE of Britain's water companies.
Northumbrian Water Limited has paid a total of £1.7billion in dividends to its owner, Hong Kong billionaire Sir Li Ka-shing, since he bought it for £2.4billion in 2011

Sod the investment to improve front line services.


This is a Private Limited Company.


Yes , but should it be - for me no it shouldn't.

Climate change and the impact on water reserves etc means that for me water companies should NOT be in private ownership.

Ive said it before as far as I am concerned water is the one of the only commodities - maybe along with power (maybe) - that should be controlled by the government.


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Eventually this Government, this Tory party has to show its hand on Brexit.

Three years down the line and we still don't know what they want.

By June we should have an idea.

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Eventually this Government, this Tory party has to show its hand on Brexit.

Three years down the line and we still don't know what they want.

By June we should have an idea.


Just needs a little patience then.

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I see Bloomberg are saying Brexit has cost the nation 130 billion SO FAR.

With a further 70 billion any time soon.

And here's the British media constantly knocking Lsbours spending plans which would have rebuilt the infrastructure of the nation.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year. That’s based on the damage caused by the U.K. untethering from its Group of Seven peers over the past three years.

While growth globally has also cooled in recent years, the analysis by Bloomberg Economics shows the U.K. has still lagged. There is a strong historic correlation between the U.K. and G-7 countries. But they have been diverging since the vote to leave the EU, with the British economy now 3% smaller than it could have been had the relationship been maintained.

The U.K. is finally set to leave the European Union at the end of this month after Johnson’s decisive election victory. But the uncertainty since the 2016 referendum has taken a toll. Business investment in particular has been held back, and annualized economic growth has halved to 1% from 2%.

Dan Hanson, U.K. economist for Bloomberg Economics, puts the total cost of Brexit by the end of 2020 at 200 billion pounds as uncertainty continues to take a toll on companies and consumers.

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I see Bloomberg are saying Brexit has cost the nation 130 billion SO FAR.

With a further 70 billion any time soon.

And here's the British media constantly knocking Lsbours spending plans which would have rebuilt the infrastructure of the nation.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year. That’s based on the damage caused by the U.K. untethering from its Group of Seven peers over the past three years.

While growth globally has also cooled in recent years, the analysis by Bloomberg Economics shows the U.K. has still lagged. There is a strong historic correlation between the U.K. and G-7 countries. But they have been diverging since the vote to leave the EU, with the British economy now 3% smaller than it could have been had the relationship been maintained.

The U.K. is finally set to leave the European Union at the end of this month after Johnson’s decisive election victory. But the uncertainty since the 2016 referendum has taken a toll. Business investment in particular has been held back, and annualized economic growth has halved to 1% from 2%.

Dan Hanson, U.K. economist for Bloomberg Economics, puts the total cost of Brexit by the end of 2020 at 200 billion pounds as uncertainty continues to take a toll on companies and consumers.


If you accept these figures, how much of the cost has been a result of the remain lobby dragging out the process at every turn in their attempts to overturn the will of the people?

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Like any other "forecasts" or "estimates" these are figures simply plucked out using a set of arbitary criteria which the forecaster/estimator thinks are relevant and then uses a judgement to "estimate" values. There may be elements that are incorrectly calculated or there may be elements that are completeley missed. I guess there could be another 100 reputable economic forecasters who could come up with a 100 different figures, they are all pretty meaningless to me. Like it or not the decision has been made to leave the EU, the country now needs to strive towards the best outcomes it can achieve from that.

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Like any other "forecasts" or "estimates" these are figures simply plucked out using a set of arbitary criteria which the forecaster/estimator thinks are relevant and then uses a judgement to "estimate" values. There may be elements that are incorrectly calculated or there may be elements that are completeley missed. I guess there could be another 100 reputable economic forecasters who could come up with a 100 different figures, they are all pretty meaningless to me. Like it or not the decision has been made to leave the EU, the country now needs to strive towards the best outcomes it can achieve from that.


Exactly. How many of these so called experts predicted the sky would fall the day after the referendum if the country voted leave?

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I see Bloomberg are saying Brexit has cost the nation 130 billion SO FAR.

With a further 70 billion any time soon.

And here's the British media constantly knocking Lsbours spending plans which would have rebuilt the infrastructure of the nation.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year. That’s based on the damage caused by the U.K. untethering from its Group of Seven peers over the past three years.

While growth globally has also cooled in recent years, the analysis by Bloomberg Economics shows the U.K. has still lagged. There is a strong historic correlation between the U.K. and G-7 countries. But they have been diverging since the vote to leave the EU, with the British economy now 3% smaller than it could have been had the relationship been maintained.

The U.K. is finally set to leave the European Union at the end of this month after Johnson’s decisive election victory. But the uncertainty since the 2016 referendum has taken a toll. Business investment in particular has been held back, and annualized economic growth has halved to 1% from 2%.

Dan Hanson, U.K. economist for Bloomberg Economics, puts the total cost of Brexit by the end of 2020 at 200 billion pounds as uncertainty continues to take a toll on companies and consumers.


If you accept these figures, how much of the cost has been a result of the remain lobby dragging out the process at every turn in their attempts to overturn the will of the people?


Cameron left May a majority to pass this though Parliament, people such as Johnson voted in their own interests.

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people such as Johnson voted in their own interests.


As did Labour under the whip.

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suiging wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
I see Bloomberg are saying Brexit has cost the nation 130 billion SO FAR.

With a further 70 billion any time soon.

And here's the British media constantly knocking Lsbours spending plans which would have rebuilt the infrastructure of the nation.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year. That’s based on the damage caused by the U.K. untethering from its Group of Seven peers over the past three years.

While growth globally has also cooled in recent years, the analysis by Bloomberg Economics shows the U.K. has still lagged. There is a strong historic correlation between the U.K. and G-7 countries. But they have been diverging since the vote to leave the EU, with the British economy now 3% smaller than it could have been had the relationship been maintained.

The U.K. is finally set to leave the European Union at the end of this month after Johnson’s decisive election victory. But the uncertainty since the 2016 referendum has taken a toll. Business investment in particular has been held back, and annualized economic growth has halved to 1% from 2%.

Dan Hanson, U.K. economist for Bloomberg Economics, puts the total cost of Brexit by the end of 2020 at 200 billion pounds as uncertainty continues to take a toll on companies and consumers.


If you accept these figures, how much of the cost has been a result of the remain lobby dragging out the process at every turn in their attempts to overturn the will of the people?


Cameron left May a majority to pass this though Parliament, people such as Johnson voted in their own interests.


Well yes & no..May did have a majority & probably enough to get the WA through.

However for reasons best known to herself & her 'advisors' she then decided to call another GE & then tried to push through a number of unpalatable policies (again as per her advisors recommendations) and the rest as they say is history.

So losing the majority was nowt to do with Boris.


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Hong Kong's richest family took £130million in dividends last year from just ONE of Britain's water companies.
Northumbrian Water Limited has paid a total of £1.7billion in dividends to its owner, Hong Kong billionaire Sir Li Ka-shing, since he bought it for £2.4billion in 2011

Sod the investment to improve front line services.


This is a Private Limited Company.


Yes , but should it be - for me no it shouldn't.

Climate change and the impact on water reserves etc means that for me water companies should NOT be in private ownership.

Ive said it before as far as I am concerned water is the one of the only commodities - maybe along with power (maybe) - that should be controlled by the government.


And air?

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