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 Post Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:02 pm 
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But do those who spout bile, and wind up people incessantly with their extremist views deserve to be attacked and kicked on a night out with their mates? Was is because he spouts Left-wing ideology, or because he was with his same-sex partner? Were the attackers Right-wing extremists or extreme homophobes? Who knows? In either case it is reprehensible to resort to violence.

I despair however whenever I listen to the arrogance of the extremely opinionated Owen Jones, and disagree with almost every word he utters, but we really ARE in a bad way if he is targeted in this way.

But for Owen to then use this as an example of the dangers of 'the far-right' in this country just stirs the pot. Could he not just for once condemn ALL extremist language and behaviours? Whether from Right or Left (and let us for goodness sake not pretend that some Momentum behaviours are not just as intimidating and threatening and violent)?

Could he not vow to stop inflaming the nation's idiots and stop using the language and tone that he does to condemn everything that doesn't fit with HIS view of the world?

I hope he gets well soon. And I hope he can go about London peacefully. And I hope he appears rather less on our TV screens. I can avoid his diatribes in The Guardian, but don't want to stop watching political discourse and debate on TV.

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 Post Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:08 am 
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The media will mean less and less with time. People have either tuned out completely or live the safety bubble of their own social media circle/newspaper website comments section to seek the self confirmation they need.

The legacy media of daily newspapers are already almost dead in the UK in terms of influence, yet the crossover for its journalists of TV appearances maintain a cheap supply of guests for TV shows so some are still carved out some form of fame for themselves, yet against this backdrop they are of course eternally obliged to deliver their own "trademark" views at the count of the TV director.

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 Post Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:41 am 
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We are all to quick to label others.

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 Post Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:00 am 
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Jones by his own actions has put himself in the shy. In his case, albeit of course wrong, it is hardly a surprise when someone takes a shot at knocking him off his perch.

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 Post Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:11 am 
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Television creates profile and from that unknown enemies

We should never forget how JFK fell victim possibly because of that medium.

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 Post Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:18 pm 
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Jones now claims it was a premeditated, political attack, but he can't say how he knows this. Corbyn has chipped in with the right-Wing are on the march.

If Jones had any evidence whatsoever, you wouldn't be able to shut him up.

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Can someone remind me what Jones said about the milkshake attack on Farage ?

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 Post Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:36 pm 
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Sorry I forgot, Owen also supported Aamer Rahman who advised that it was morally correct to ‘punch’ Nazis. Nazis defined as anyone who disagreed with them.

All this doesn't make the attack on him correct ( if it happened the way he describes, he is a serial liar after all ) but if you start a hue and cry to bring them to book, how about him ? Does his inciting violence not deserve to be brought to the courts ?

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The media trying their best to save Johnsons career in politics.

Let him go, all bluff and bluster.

Ask yourself this, why do the media focus on personality and trivia rather than policy and detail?


One step up from Hello magazine.

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West Yorkshire police chief "disappointed" to see his officers used as backdrop for PM's speech

— it was the police's understanding they would only be used to promote recruitment

— "we had no prior knowledge" PM speech "would be broadened to other issues until it was delivered"

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knocker knowles wrote:
The media trying their best to save Johnsons career in politics.

Let him go, all bluff and bluster.

Ask yourself this, why do the media focus on personality and trivia rather than policy and detail?


One step up from Hello magazine.


Which elements of the media Knocker? One day it might be worth looking objectively across the media rather than regurgitating the polemic which arises in those publications which which positively reinforce your predetermined views.

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 Post Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:32 am 
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Chaos is being normalised. It is all part of Boris Johnson’s pernicious plan

That's one headline in one newspaper today.

Yet its a message that should be delivered to every household throughout the land.

The nation is being trashed, has been for years but unless you feel the effects you close your eyes to it.

Your BBC and the majority of newsprint continually fail to tell you the truth, and your not looking hard enough.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Chaos is being normalised. It is all part of Boris Johnson’s pernicious plan

That's one headline in one newspaper today.

Yet its a message that should be delivered to every household throughout the land.

The nation is being trashed, has been for years but unless you feel the effects you close your eyes to it.

Your BBC and the majority of newsprint continually fail to tell you the truth, and your not looking hard enough.

Wake up



I feel you need to look inwards more and take your own advice.

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 Post Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:10 am 
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Figures published today showed the two most deprived places in England are Liverpool and Middlesbrough.
One voted Remain 58.2/41.8.

The other Leave 65.5/34.5.

One has boycotted The Sun since 1989, the other has not.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Figures published today showed the two most deprived places in England are Liverpool and Middlesbrough.
One voted Remain 58.2/41.8.

The other Leave 65.5/34.5.

One has boycotted The Sun since 1989, the other has not.


Are there any Labour 'hotbeds' that voted remain that 'allow' the Sun?


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 Post Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:58 pm 
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Looks like another twisted use of statistics by KK to imply that The Sun was the key factor in EU referendum voting patterns. I think it is far more likely that living in areas of deprivation had an effect. Just looking at the top 10 most deprived areas only 2 voted remain. One was Liverpool which was 2nd the other was Manchester which was 5th on the deprived areas list and I suspect has plenty of Sun readers.

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The point about this chap is that, in addition to the burdens of having a high achieving father, he’s instinctively nasty.
but not bright enough to get away with it.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/ ... mitism?CMP

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British journalists 'being played like an instrument' by No.10, say EU counterparts


European journalists and experts have criticised the UK media's recent coverage of Brexit, saying that they are being "played like an instrument".

Journalists are being "co-opted into being useful idiots for No.10", was one scathing comment among many made by foreign journalists at a conference on Brexit and the Media held in London by think tank UK in a Changing Europe.

According to reports by the Press Gazette, international panellists singled out the UK media's current over-reliance on off-the-record comments coming from Number 10.

Panellist and Die Welt journalist Stefanie Bolzen criticised the reporting surrounding an anonymous memo sent to the Spectator.

The 800-word memo, which is widely assumed to be authored by senior adviser Dominic Cummings, alleged that relations between Boris Johnson and German chancellor Angela Merkel had broken down in their last phone call.

She reportedly said: "The idea you would just report on this call without any proof and then the Germans aren't commenting on it because it's true - wow."

"I now often find myself shouting at the radio thinking why don't you ask about the substance, you let them get away with it so often," she said.

"So much of what MPs say here is without substance and it isn't questioned."

She later added: "I think they [journalists] just get carried away with another leak or another non-paper that just has no substance and you sometimes think 'stop, take a step away and look at the whole picture'. That's absolutely nothing.

"It feels like a constant hot air circle where if you wake up the next morning you are where you were the day before."

Panellist Rasmus Nielsen, director of the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, said: "British press is being played like an instrument and it doesn't care.
"It's very hard for me to accept that British journalists don't understand what's going on. Of course they do.
On another panel, senior research fellow at the UK in a Changing Europe, Jill Rutter, said journalists must insist that Number 10 briefers speak on the record.
She is reported as saying: "I think journalists have been co-opted into being useful idiots for Number 10."
The claimed lapse in standards is particularly problematic for foreign journalists, said Le Monde correspondent Eric Albert.

London correspondents from abroad don't have the same access as local reporters and so are often dependent on the reporting of their UK peers to get the full picture, he said.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... 17187?utm_

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Looks like we got what we deserved with the New European. Fancy an entirely pro remain publication criticising journalists who report on Brexit briefings from the UK government. You really need to wake up KK and stop being taken in by such biased reporting.

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