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I do also think that Boris has maneouvered this by visiting Berlin and Paris only to come back and say: "Sorry they will not re-deal or take out the backstop, so it's a hard no deal, guys." We'll soon see and if there is Parliamentary interference, then it'll get messy indeed.


Merkel completely outflanked him yesterday and Johnson himself walked into eagerly took up "the challenge" of finding a solution "within 30 days" - which she didn't actually give as a deadline, she merely made the point that a solution needs to come quickly ("maybe a solution can even be found in the next 30 days, why not" were her actual words).

If the UK fails to present a viable solution before October 31 it is then clear where the fault lies.

It is not up to EU leaders to square the circle that the Brexit campaign promised was not only possible, but in fact easy. Merkel reminded him that it was indeed the UK's task to solve the quandary and Johnson willingly accepted that and took that on without any quibbling.

Realistically, no-deal will result anyway, given that even if Johnson (and his legacy media pals) spin some minor tokenism in the future direction text as a success ("technological solutions"), he doesn't have anywhere near the required majority in Parliament to ensure it gets through and Corbyn will again whip his MPs for no-deal. A period of no-deal chaos is the only hope for the scales to ever tip enough in Labour's favour in an election.

There was no excuse for failing to do a deal with May on the smoothest of Brexits earlier in the year if the Labour party genuinely a) respects the result of the referendum and b) wants to protect jobs.

The attempted strongarming of other parties that there can only be an alternative government if headed up by Corbyn already undermines the entire credibility of wanting to prevent a no-deal scenario "at all costs".

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Shame Justine Greening is standing down as a Tory MP, one of the few you could trust. One who you could support as a leader.

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Shame Justine Greening is standing down as a Tory MP, one of the few you could trust. One who you could support as a leader.

Real shame.


Well one YOU would 'support' and 'trust' anyway , not one many others would.

She is most definately not one to trust as she backs a second referendum - so does not support her parties manifesto pledge to honour the referendum result ...at all.
Although in fairness I'll concur that her constituents did heavily support remain.

Her tenure as Secretary of state for Transport wasn't great either with the issues around the West Coast Franchises award (and later revocation) to First Group meaning The Transport Select Committee report being critical of her role and stating it cost the taxpayer at least £40 million.

So no she's not one to support or trust , but she wants to do what you want and damn the rest of her party so one you pretend to respect

A bit like you supported Rory #metooosmugbasterd Stewart.


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Shame Justine Greening is standing down as a Tory MP, one of the few you could trust. One who you could support as a leader.

Real shame.


You could support her because your a quasi-socialist. Sadly she could not be supported by Conservatives, because she never believed she was one. The party by the way, who's manifesto she hide behind and was elected for time and again( In Putney, there's a surprise) A manifesto she constantly tried to undermine when in politics, a party she now undermines in interviews after jumping before being pushed as the party is no longer accepting Lib/Dems in blue clothing.

If only the Labour Party could at least be honest itself and actually either reflect it's supporters, it's fake members, or the Communist International who now run it.

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Phillip Hammond Says he’ll stand as Tory MP and will not be pushed out.
Says party will face the fight of their lives if they try to block him and says he has no intention of being pushed out of a party he’s served for 45 years by a chief of staff who isn’t even a party member.

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Phillip Hammond Says he’ll stand as Tory MP and will not be pushed out.
Says party will face the fight of their lives if they try to block him and says he has no intention of being pushed out of a party he’s served for 45 years by a chief of staff who isn’t even a party member.


His local association reselected him last night for the next election.

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Phillip Hammond Says he’ll stand as Tory MP and will not be pushed out.
Says party will face the fight of their lives if they try to block him and says he has no intention of being pushed out of a party he’s served for 45 years by a chief of staff who isn’t even a party member.


His local association reselected him last night for the next election.


In a closed door session amongst friends, which has caused fury in the local membership. I don't think that will stand. The pictures of him drinking champagne with his "friends" hasn't really gone down that well at all..

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Not a huge Johnson fan but credit where credit is due, he, or rather Cummings, have already shown that what their opponents want is stop us leaving the EU regardless of the manner of our leaving.

Hopefully we have seen the end of the disastrous WA and we will see a clean Brexit at the end of October.
https://order-order.com/2019/09/02/germ ... h-economy/

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THE BIG BAD WOLF wrote:
Not a huge Johnson fan but credit where credit is due, he, or rather Cummings, have already shown that what their opponents want is stop us leaving the EU regardless of the manner of our leaving.

Hopefully we have seen the end of the disastrous WA and we will see a clean Brexit at the end of October.
https://order-order.com/2019/09/02/germ ... h-economy/


Agreed. Boris is a chancer and if there was a way to bring back many superb parliamentarians on both sides of the house, I would be happy. Conservative have been awful, Labour worse. However, Brexit has been mandated time and time again. I'm afraid it is totally undemocratic to think otherwise. As for the public ? Look to the European Elections and get your answer. I would rather have chancer Boris than Farage. I would rather have a turd on a stick than any form of Corbyn.

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Result of Division

AYES: 328 (LAB 240, SNP 35, CON 21, LD 15, PLC 4, GRN 1, OTH 11)

NOES: 301 (CON 286, DUP 10, LAB 2, OTH 3)

Opposition Majority: 27

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knocker knowles wrote:
Result of Division

AYES: 328 (LAB 240, SNP 35, CON 21, LD 15, PLC 4, GRN 1, OTH 11)

NOES: 301 (CON 286, DUP 10, LAB 2, OTH 3)

Opposition Majority: 27


They've all had the whip withdrawn now so they all know where they stand.

Unlike of course Corbyn who having been banging on about a GE for 2 years has now changed his mind...again.

Labour are a complete joke tbh...and Corbyn knows it.


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knocker knowles wrote:
Result of Division

AYES: 328 (LAB 240, SNP 35, CON 21, LD 15, PLC 4, GRN 1, OTH 11)

NOES: 301 (CON 286, DUP 10, LAB 2, OTH 3)

Opposition Majority: 27


They've all had the whip withdrawn now so they all know where they stand.

Unlike of course Corbyn who having been banging on about a GE for 2 years has now changed his mind...again.

Labour are a complete joke tbh...and Corbyn knows it.


I have no idea what Labour actually want or stand for now. A lot of folk last night voted themselves out of a job in the near future, more fool them. Farage must be pissing himself laughing and must be anticipating becoming at least the second largest political party at the next GE.
What a joke our politicians are. The greatest powers are bestowed upon these self serving knobs, even the power to take our country to war, to change legislation that effects you and your families health and welfare, I would not trust any of them in a time of crisis.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Result of Division

AYES: 328 (LAB 240, SNP 35, CON 21, LD 15, PLC 4, GRN 1, OTH 11)

NOES: 301 (CON 286, DUP 10, LAB 2, OTH 3)

Opposition Majority: 27


But KK that's only a 53% majority. 53% !!!! that's way too close to be democratic, I demand a People's Vote. They obviously didn't know what they were voting for. Abbott doesn't know what day of the week it is and has stopped buying Janet and John books for her Kindle until Amazon put their fire's out !!!

Surely you can't agree that 53% is enough......surely.

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Embarrassing performances from Johnson in the past few days. If there was any doubt of his unsuitability for the top job he has already brushed it aside.

Empty illogical bluster, threats of purges and the desperate need to create a common enemy for the populace. There are many examples throughout history of such "leaders" and it never ended well for their country and its people.

Alas, one looks to the opposition for clear-headed leadership and wonders when the UK first entered this spiral to the bottom... hold on tight folks...

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The problem with Politics is Politicians. Or rather, the lack of decent and intelligent ones. The Tory Party has unofficially split, Labour needs someone of essence and believability, Alan Johnson or Andy Burnham anyone? As things stand, Brexit aside, just who could you realistically vote for in some sort of confidence? No sod. We have run into the proverbial brick wall, how do we continue from here and who with?

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Embarrassing performances from Johnson in the past few days. If there was any doubt of his unsuitability for the top job he has already brushed it aside.

Empty illogical bluster, threats of purges and the desperate need to create a common enemy for the populace. There are many examples throughout history of such "leaders" and it never ended well for their country and its people.

Alas, one looks to the opposition for clear-headed leadership and wonders when the UK first entered this spiral to the bottom... hold on tight folks...


The opposition are summed up by Burgon's interview last night, where he stated Labour would go into an election on a remain platform, but as soon as they were elected would go to the EU to get a deal? When asked why the EU would negotiate with a party who've said they want to remain, he did a passing imitation of a goldfish

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Will Stephen Kinnock and Labour votes rescue this sorry Government.. Interesting time in the Brexit riddle.

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https://youtu.be/N2w0QweWlrQ


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Whats Johnsons next move, break the law or seek an extension?

Boris Johnson tells journalists in Aberdeenshire he will not seek an extension to Article 50, even if it's passed in law. "I will not. I don't want a delay."

More Popcorn please.

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Whats Johnsons next move, break the law or seek an extension?

Boris Johnson tells journalists in Aberdeenshire he will not seek an extension to Article 50, even if it's passed in law. "I will not. I don't want a delay."

More Popcorn please.


meanwhile Labour continue to do the Hokey Cokey.


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Shame Justine Greening is standing down as a Tory MP, one of the few you could trust. One who you could support as a leader.

Real shame.


Well one YOU would 'support' and 'trust' anyway , not one many others would.

She is most definately not one to trust as she backs a second referendum - so does not support her parties manifesto pledge to honour the referendum result ...at all.
Although in fairness I'll concur that her constituents did heavily support remain.

Her tenure as Secretary of state for Transport wasn't great either with the issues around the West Coast Franchises award (and later revocation) to First Group meaning The Transport Select Committee report being critical of her role and stating it cost the taxpayer at least £40 million.

So no she's not one to support or trust , but she wants to do what you want and damn the rest of her party so one you pretend to respect

A bit like you supported Rory #metooosmugbasterd Stewart.


I look for empathy in people, Greening and Stewart both have that.

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knocker knowles wrote:
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Shame Justine Greening is standing down as a Tory MP, one of the few you could trust. One who you could support as a leader.

Real shame.


Well one YOU would 'support' and 'trust' anyway , not one many others would.

She is most definately not one to trust as she backs a second referendum - so does not support her parties manifesto pledge to honour the referendum result ...at all.
Although in fairness I'll concur that her constituents did heavily support remain.

Her tenure as Secretary of state for Transport wasn't great either with the issues around the West Coast Franchises award (and later revocation) to First Group meaning The Transport Select Committee report being critical of her role and stating it cost the taxpayer at least £40 million.

So no she's not one to support or trust , but she wants to do what you want and damn the rest of her party so one you pretend to respect

A bit like you supported Rory #metooosmugbasterd Stewart.


I look for empathy in people, Greening and Stewart both have that.


They just happen to agree with what you now appear to want- that's not empathy.


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Losing Richard Benyon now, another one of the good guys.

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Losing Richard Benyon now, another one of the good guys.


In other posts in the past you have told us that there are no good Tories.

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Losing Richard Benyon now, another one of the good guys.



Which should be an own goal to any Labour leaning voters due to this guy being the Richest bloke in the Commons due to his ancestors taking advantage and exploiting other nations as well as his own during the two previous centuries.
He did vote to stay within the EU, some would say it was because of 2 million pounds at a time land subsidies he gains.

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One of the key reasons the EU just don't cut the UK loose as a lost cause, a basket case.

They fear Trump running the country, some things never change the French in the sixties veto'd the UK entry because they feared America entering through the back door.

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One of the key reasons the EU just don't cut the UK loose as a lost cause, a basket case.

They fear Trump running the country, some things never change the French in the sixties veto'd the UK entry because they feared America entering through the back door.


You have no concept of modern history. Look up post-war US/UK relations.

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As the "insider" TV documentories have shown, the EU power brokers have nothing but contempt for the UK. Can an enlightened remainer tell me why they want us to stay in?

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Something that has come up in the posts on this thread is the sense that Remainers are "supporting" the EU against the UK-almost as if we were disloyal to the country. I appreciate you didn't say this in your post Suiging, but you did ask why but it has occurred to me before now so I want to make the point.

I do not support or prefer or think the EU is "better" then the UK. It is not.

I have supported the remain view because I believe that the complications arising as a result of loss of our membership-economic, medical, security, currency-mean that remaining would have been a much better thing to do than leave. It's what is best for the people of the UK that means I believe Remain was always the better course.I have no love for the top bureaucrats in the EU who have been a good recruiting officers for Brexit like Paisley was for the IRA. However their poor qualities do not outweigh the benefits we have derived from membership and the problems which will arise when we leave.

I have reconciled myself to the fact that we will leave and believe leaving is necessary to start to heal the self inflicted wound. There are some signs that the opposition plus the principled Tories having blocked Boris in so that we cant leave before 31/10 ,he may try to get Theresa May's withdrawal agreement through with a few tweaks. I am pleased to see that the DUP appear to be about to back down on their red lines-let's hope so.

KK put it well -we had a deal which was "Germany plus plus ".What we will get will be worse for a number of years at least and in many different ways. The older generation thought it was worth it, so we will have to see. Let's hope the deal goes through.


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One of the key reasons the EU just don't cut the UK loose as a lost cause, a basket case.

They fear Trump running the country, some things never change the French in the sixties veto'd the UK entry because they feared America entering through the back door.


You have no concept of modern history. Look up post-war US/UK relations.


I'm fully aware of Charles de Gaulle and his concerns with America taking over the European project during its infancy.


And the role played by Jacques Delors in shaping its direction.

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