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Eventually they will move onto the Trade deal where they will find to gain access to their key market they will require very close regulatory standards

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Eventually they will move onto the Trade deal where they will find to gain access to their key market they will require very close regulatory standards


Regulatory standards the UK are as high or higher than the EU. Any government in the current woke world changing them, would commit the same sort of electoral suicide as your lot commit by keeping the communist. The spouting about them is just more smoke and mirrors hiding a fear of Labour MPs losing their 77K and 200K expenses. Pure hypocrisy.

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Eventually they will move onto the Trade deal where they will find to gain access to their key market they will require very close regulatory standards


Regulatory standards the UK are as high or higher than the EU. Any government in the current woke world changing them, would commit the same sort of electoral suicide as your lot commit by keeping the communist. The spouting about them is just more smoke and mirrors hiding a fear of Labour MPs losing their 77K and 200K expenses. Pure hypocrisy.


The key division between Labour and Conservative policy revolves around Customs union and regulatory standards.
The Tories have this fantasy of building Worldwide trade deals based on lax regulations, low tariffs and pure market forces.
Meanwhile in the real world their biggest trade partner the EU who would be impossible to replace will demand existing standards are maintained or improved.

Does the nation and its poor in society have to suffer while the Tories have to find out the hard way?

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knocker knowles wrote:
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Eventually they will move onto the Trade deal where they will find to gain access to their key market they will require very close regulatory standards


Regulatory standards the UK are as high or higher than the EU. Any government in the current woke world changing them, would commit the same sort of electoral suicide as your lot commit by keeping the communist. The spouting about them is just more smoke and mirrors hiding a fear of Labour MPs losing their 77K and 200K expenses. Pure hypocrisy.


The key division between Labour and Conservative policy revolves around Customs union and regulatory standards.
The Tories have this fantasy of building Worldwide trade deals based on lax regulations, low tariffs and pure market forces.
Meanwhile in the real world their biggest trade partner the EU who would be impossible to replace will demand existing standards are maintained or improved.

Does the nation and its poor in society have to suffer while the Tories have to find out the hard way?


We can't be in a customs union or the single market if we vote leave - Cameron told us that at the very start, and we still voted out.

Not that it wasn't obvious of course for those with a modicom of intelligence who voted out - like you (you did vote out).

So I would suggest yes it does mean we have to find out.


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Eventually they will move onto the Trade deal where they will find to gain access to their key market they will require very close regulatory standards[/quote]

Regulatory standards the UK are as high or higher than the EU. Any government in the current woke world changing them, would commit the same sort of electoral suicide as your lot commit by keeping the communist. The spouting about them is just more smoke and mirrors hiding a fear of Labour MPs losing their 77K and 200K expenses. Pure hypocrisy.[/quote]

The key division between Labour and Conservative policy revolves around Customs union and regulatory standards.
The Tories have this fantasy of building Worldwide trade deals based on lax regulations, low tariffs and pure market forces.
Meanwhile in the real world their biggest trade partner the EU who would be impossible to replace will demand existing standards are maintained or improved.

Does the nation and its poor in society have to suffer while the Tories have to find out the hard way?[/quote]

We can't be in a customs union or the single market if we vote leave - Cameron told us that at the very start, and we still voted out.

Not that it wasn't obvious of course for those with a modicom of intelligence who voted out - like you (you did vote out).

So I would suggest yes it does mean we have to find out.[/quote]

But you have to have a plan which helps prevent economic catastrophe, something EEA Efta would provide.

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Interesting...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603

pay particular attention to this snippet:

"The draft text of an agreement for the 27 EU ambassadors - seen by the BBC - also includes a commitment that the Withdrawal Agreement on the UK's exit from the EU cannot be renegotiated in future."

Thats not acceptable surely - to anyone...I think its an attempt to use the Benn Act to tie the WAB down for fear of a Tory majority after the next GE.

This handing over the terms and conditions was not part of the Benn Act - it was apparently merely to prevent a No Deal and to force an extension I don't believe such caveats have to be accpeted by default.

A Surrender Bill indeed by the looks of it.


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How long do you anticipate it will take to strike a new trade deal with the EU?

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"Can you name a single country that has negotiated a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU in less than a year?"

I asked Michael Gove this question 3 times. He didn't name one. Instead he said people were being "sceptical" and it is "feasible" a deal will be done by Dec 2020

Daniel Hewitt ITV News.

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"Can you name a single country that has negotiated a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU in less than a year?"

I asked Michael Gove this question 3 times. He didn't name one. Instead he said people were being "sceptical" and it is "feasible" a deal will be done by Dec 2020

Daniel Hewitt ITV News.


Can you name one country that is already regulatory aligned with the EU that has tried it ?

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"Can you name a single country that has negotiated a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU in less than a year?"

I asked Michael Gove this question 3 times. He didn't name one. Instead he said people were being "sceptical" and it is "feasible" a deal will be done by Dec 2020

Daniel Hewitt ITV News.


Can you name one country that is already regulatory aligned with the EU that has tried it ?


I think when it comes to the UK its about picking apart and unravelling legislation with the EU.
My fear is Johnson is pretty clueless to whats likely to happen when he tries to cherry pick his way out.

He will be the small little trader against one of the three huge trading blocks.

At the mercy of those trading blocks and having to accept whats offered like a dog at a dining table.

This is the outcome which will have grave effects on many that will vote Tory in December.
They really are Turkeys voting for Christmas.

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knocker knowles wrote:
suiging wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
"Can you name a single country that has negotiated a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU in less than a year?"

I asked Michael Gove this question 3 times. He didn't name one. Instead he said people were being "sceptical" and it is "feasible" a deal will be done by Dec 2020

Daniel Hewitt ITV News.


Can you name one country that is already regulatory aligned with the EU that has tried it ?


I think when it comes to the UK its about picking apart and unravelling legislation with the EU.
My fear is Johnson is pretty clueless to whats likely to happen when he tries to cherry pick his way out.

He will be the small little trader against one of the three huge trading blocks.

At the mercy of those trading blocks and having to accept whats offered like a dog at a dining table.

This is the outcome which will have grave effects on many that will vote Tory in December.
They really are Turkeys voting for Christmas.


As usual you've changed the narrative. You asked about naming countries that had completed a deal in 12 months. The answer is none, as none of the previous negotiations involved two parties with the same regulatory regime..You don't like the answer so you change the narrative. You are a true Corbynist

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"Can you name a single country that has negotiated a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU in less than a year?"

I asked Michael Gove this question 3 times. He didn't name one. Instead he said people were being "sceptical" and it is "feasible" a deal will be done by Dec 2020

Daniel Hewitt ITV News.[/quote]

Can you name one country that is already regulatory aligned with the EU that has tried it ?[/quote]

I think when it comes to the UK its about picking apart and unravelling legislation with the EU.
My fear is Johnson is pretty clueless to whats likely to happen when he tries to cherry pick his way out.

He will be the small little trader against one of the three huge trading blocks.

At the mercy of those trading blocks and having to accept whats offered like a dog at a dining table.

This is the outcome which will have grave effects on many that will vote Tory in December.
They really are Turkeys voting for Christmas.[/quote]

As usual you've changed the narrative. You asked about naming countries that had completed a deal in 12 months. The answer is none, as none of the previous negotiations involved two parties with the same regulatory regime..You don't like the answer so you change the narrative. You are a true Corbynist[/quote]

It comes down to the key point.

THE TORIES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO A TRADE DEAL WITH THE EU WITHIN THE YEAR.

Under Johnson your looking at leaving with NO TRADE DEAL

From that the UK falls apart economically.

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knocker knowles wrote:
"Can you name a single country that has negotiated a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU in less than a year?"

I asked Michael Gove this question 3 times. He didn't name one. Instead he said people were being "sceptical" and it is "feasible" a deal will be done by Dec 2020

Daniel Hewitt ITV News.


Can you name one country that is already regulatory aligned with the EU that has tried it ?[/quote]

I think when it comes to the UK its about picking apart and unravelling legislation with the EU.
My fear is Johnson is pretty clueless to whats likely to happen when he tries to cherry pick his way out.

He will be the small little trader against one of the three huge trading blocks.

At the mercy of those trading blocks and having to accept whats offered like a dog at a dining table.

This is the outcome which will have grave effects on many that will vote Tory in December.
They really are Turkeys voting for Christmas.[/quote]

As usual you've changed the narrative. You asked about naming countries that had completed a deal in 12 months. The answer is none, as none of the previous negotiations involved two parties with the same regulatory regime..You don't like the answer so you change the narrative. You are a true Corbynist[/quote]

It comes down to the key point.

THE TORIES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO A TRADE DEAL WITH THE EU WITHIN THE YEAR.

Under Johnson your looking at leaving with NO TRADE DEAL

From that the UK falls apart economically.[/quote]


Why not ?

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That's Johnson speak.

He expects to do a quick trade deal with the EU.

This off the shelf quickie that you shove in the microwave.

Its bollocks of course, and he knows it.

But as long as he can sell this bollocks he can win an election.

The consequences come later

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That's Johnson speak.

He expects to do a quick trade deal with the EU.

This off the shelf quickie that you shove in the microwave.

Its bollocks of course, and he knows it.

But as long as he can sell this bollocks he can win an election.

The consequences come later


I respect that you have an opinion that it can't be done but I don't see any objective evidence to prove it.

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The EU member states should grant UK citizens living in Europe the full rights as they have today. Automatically. No ‘ifs and buts’ here either. Let's also come back to the idea of ‘European associated citizenship’ for UK citizens who want to keep their link with Europe.


Guy Verhofstadt

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The EU member states should grant UK citizens living in Europe the full rights as they have today. Automatically. No ‘ifs and buts’ here either. Let's also come back to the idea of ‘European associated citizenship’ for UK citizens who want to keep their link with Europe.


Guy Verhofstadt


And so the negotiations finally begin.

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The EU member states should grant UK citizens living in Europe the full rights as they have today. Automatically. No ‘ifs and buts’ here either. Let's also come back to the idea of ‘European associated citizenship’ for UK citizens who want to keep their link with Europe.


Guy Verhofstadt


And so the negotiations finally begin.


With the Tories wanting them to be done away from public view and scrutiny.

Get to June and see if Johnson reaches for the panic button.

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