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 Post subject: European Elections
 Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:59 am 
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Why does no-one seem to say the blindingly obvious?

Labour and the Tories have seen their vote collapse because in the EU elections, no-one knows whether either party is 'Remain' or 'Leave' because both are split in two.

The Lib Dems and Greens (and Scot Nats & Plaid Cymru) are pure Remainers. So Remainer Tories & Labour folk vote for them.

The Brexit Party are clear Leavers, so Leaver Tories or Labour vote for them.

Result? Leavers vote Brexit; Remainers vote LibDems/Green. Die-hard Tories & Labour who can't decide what to do stay with their party.

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
 Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:13 am 
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So if Labour in the next General Election became the REMAIN Party what do the Tories stand on?

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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In the referendum campaign the Remain vote was vastly inflated by Irish and Commonwealth voters, the Lib Dem and Green vote has been similarly boosted here by EU nationals. Stunning result for the Brexit Party.

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
 Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:35 am 
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The only "one issue" parties were Brexit and Change UK. Greens by their own admission were about the environment as much as Europe, the Lib Dems attracting the remain vote from both the Tory and Labour according to pundits.

If all above true, you can add the majority of what's left of Labour and Tory support to the leave vote. That makes on hell of a statement.

Remainers claim the residue should be added to their vote. They have no basis for this as leavers jumped ship to make their wish to leave known. Change UK only just beat UKIP. That says it all.

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
 Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:03 am 
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The only "one issue" parties were Brexit and Change UK. Greens by their own admission were about the environment as much as Europe, the Lib Dems attracting the remain vote from both the Tory and Labour according to pundits.


Looks like only 32% of the public are passionate about leaving the EU then. The vast majority obviously have other priorities.

Easier to call the whole thing off...

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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Looks like at least 23.3% of the public are passionate about staying in the EU then.

The bigger vast majority obviously have other priorities.

No Deal it is then.


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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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Terrible night for Nigel to have been democratically elected to the EU Parliament to serve as a undemocratic, unelected EU bureaucrat.

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
 Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:21 pm 
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shropswolf wrote:
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The only "one issue" parties were Brexit and Change UK. Greens by their own admission were about the environment as much as Europe, the Lib Dems attracting the remain vote from both the Tory and Labour according to pundits.


Looks like only 32% of the public are passionate about leaving the EU then. The vast majority obviously have other priorities.

Easier to call the whole thing off...


Outside of London and the new 'membership' core Labour constituencies voted leave. Both they and the Tory Party stood on a manefesto of leave. Tories and Labourites who felt strongly about remain went to the Lib/Dems. Those left who wanted to tell the main party's leaderships that brexit was taking too long went to Farage. Do you really think remain would win a second time around?

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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shropswolf wrote:
suiging wrote:
The only "one issue" parties were Brexit and Change UK. Greens by their own admission were about the environment as much as Europe, the Lib Dems attracting the remain vote from both the Tory and Labour according to pundits.


Looks like only 32% of the public are passionate about leaving the EU then. The vast majority obviously have other priorities.

Easier to call the whole thing off...


Outside of London and the new 'membership' core Labour constituencies voted leave. Both they and the Tory Party stood on a manefesto of leave. Tories and Labourites who felt strongly about remain went to the Lib/Dems. Those left who wanted to tell the main party's leaderships that brexit was taking too long went to Farage. Do you really think remain would win a second time around?


I expect Labour would run on a remain ticket should we reach that time when the options were no deal or revoke.

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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knocker knowles wrote:
suiging wrote:

Outside of London and the new 'membership' core Labour constituencies voted leave. Both they and the Tory Party stood on a manefesto of leave. Tories and Labourites who felt strongly about remain went to the Lib/Dems. Those left who wanted to tell the main party's leaderships that brexit was taking too long went to Farage. Do you really think remain would win a second time around?


I expect Labour would run on a remain ticket should we reach that time when the options were no deal or revoke.


Why?...because the Islington lot and the members say so...have you not seen the results of the EU elections in the Northern Labour Strongholds?


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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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knocker knowles wrote:
suiging wrote:

Outside of London and the new 'membership' core Labour constituencies voted leave. Both they and the Tory Party stood on a manefesto of leave. Tories and Labourites who felt strongly about remain went to the Lib/Dems. Those left who wanted to tell the main party's leaderships that brexit was taking too long went to Farage. Do you really think remain would win a second time around?


I expect Labour would run on a remain ticket should we reach that time when the options were no deal or revoke.


Why?...because the Islington lot and the members say so...have you not seen the results of the EU elections in the Northern Labour Strongholds?

Interesting you say "when the options were no deal or revoke"...in the meantime you will of course do everything in your power to subvert any attempt to broker a real deal - all the while angling to bring down the government whilst purporting to 'honour the referendunm".

I don't know what pisses me off more that or the Torys like Hunt/Hammond & Stewart that are still banging on about no no deal- even now ffs.

Pathetic the lot of you tbh- grow a pair and state NOW you are a remain party- and we shall see what happens.


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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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I just think the complexity of leaving with NO DEAL is not understood by near everyone.

The rules, regulations, standards and laws all entwined over decades just make leaving a near impossibility without economic ruin.

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 Post subject: Re: European Elections
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I just think the complexity of leaving with NO DEAL is not understood by near everyone.

The rules, regulations, standards and laws all entwined over decades just make leaving a near impossibility without economic ruin.



Labour is pushing the self-destruct button. The likes of Lady Muck of Islington, and the hoards of spotty faced Momentum, neo-communists, have turned a party which once proudly stood for free trade, into a metro-centric, self-serving, chameleon elitist group, that believe their own hype. Lady Muck a property multi-millionaire, speculator, simply can't stop showing her disdain for the northern working man, it will be her and her party's demise.

The majority of Labour voters ( note voters, not newly minted party members ) sit in leave dominated constituencies. Admittedly the "Labour till I die mentality" will keep some of them loyal, but certainly not all. With a trickle turning into a rush, with some defecting to a real remain party, the majority who voted leave will not appreciate, or support being told from central Islington that they are now remain supporters. They, the metro centric, part time Greenham Common, CND supporting hippies, are in for a rude awakening. They have already had one in the EU elections, they just choose not to see it as they the intellectually superior to the scruffy north of Watford, Labour supporter, must prevail.

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