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Gove totally unprompted tells us all that he is sorry for taking cocaine many years ago? wtf, who cares , self promotion at its despicable worst.

I bet none of um ever feel the need to tell the public that they followed through after a few pints and some mussels once and had to throw their pants over a hedge.



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The fact that Boris Johnson thinks promising a tax cut for top earners will help him become leader of the Conservative party, whilst so many people are struggling to survive, says a lot about the values and priorities of that party.

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The fact that Boris Johnson thinks promising a tax cut for top earners will help him become leader of the Conservative party, whilst so many people are struggling to survive, says a lot about the values and priorities of that party.


A near unbelievable claim today from Boris on tax.
Blind selfishness, from a fool

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The fact that Boris Johnson thinks promising a tax cut for top earners will help him become leader of the Conservative party, whilst so many people are struggling to survive, says a lot about the values and priorities of that party.


Correction :It tells you a lot about the values and priorities of Mr Boris Johnson (whose FIRST priority it to get tens of thousands of Conservative Party members - many of whom are are in this earnings bracket - to vote for him.

Gove has come out (in a direct swipe at Boris) and said: "the one thing I will NEVER do as PM is to use the tax and benefits system to give the already wealthy another tax cut".

Gove has ALWAYS had a soft spot for 'the under-dog' and the under-privileged, mainly due to his own inauspicious beginnings. As education secretary he was almost manic in his desire to make teachers realise that the only way to get youngsters out of disadvantage is to work even harder with such youngsters to get them to improve their educational standards, because education is the route out of disadvantage. Teachers didn't always like him for it, and thought (well the unions told them to think!) that he was being critical of them.

Gove is easy to lampoon, and easy to criticise - but he is driven, and is determined, and is very very bright. Judgement not always spot on, but don't doubt his desire to improve the lot of EVERYONE, not just the already-privileged!

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Gove was one of the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, very greedy which is probably how he ended up so close to the Israelis.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-israe ... admission/

Whoever leaked that cocaine story has done this country a great service.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ken-cla ... eresa-may/

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The fact that Boris Johnson thinks promising a tax cut for top earners will help him become leader of the Conservative party, whilst so many people are struggling to survive, says a lot about the values and priorities of that party.


A near unbelievable claim today from Boris on tax.
Blind selfishness, from a fool


Murdoch will have a team of helpers plotting his every move and statement, no expense spared.

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Gove was one of the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, very greedy which is probably how he ended up so close to the Israelis.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-israe ... admission/

Whoever leaked that cocaine story has done this country a great service.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ken-cla ... eresa-may/


Knocker.....sorry, BBW, do we really want to revisit the expenses scandal ? Would you like a list of the worst offenders by Party ?

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So, we've got the final list of choices:
Pest
Cholera
Malaria
AIDS
Bubonic plague
Syphilis
Cancer
Leukaemia
Meningitis
Motor neurones

Which one are you backing to improve your life?

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So, we've got the final list of choices:
Pest
Cholera
Malaria
AIDS
Bubonic plague
Syphilis
Cancer
Leukaemia
Meningitis
Motor neurones

Which one are you backing to improve your life?


It's a bit like the plagues of EGYPT I expect BBW will be telling us that the Israelis are behind it all.

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So, we've got the final list of choices:
Pest
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Malaria
AIDS
Bubonic plague
Syphilis
Cancer
Leukaemia
Meningitis
Motor neurones

Which one are you backing to improve your life?


It's a bit like the plagues of EGYPT I expect BBW will be telling us that the Israelis are behind it all.


Yes I'll call it when I see it.

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Remarkable how the I word has been kept out of the discussion by the media/political class despite the centrality of it to the electorate as a whole, and Conservative voters in particular.

https://www.conservativehome.com/platfo ... hange.html

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THE BIG BAD WOLF wrote:
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shropswolf wrote:
So, we've got the final list of choices:
Pest
Cholera
Malaria
AIDS
Bubonic plague
Syphilis
Cancer
Leukaemia
Meningitis
Motor neurones

Which one are you backing to improve your life?


It's a bit like the plagues of EGYPT I expect BBW will be telling us that the Israelis are behind it all.


Yes I'll call it when I see it.


You see it automatically.

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THE BIG BAD WOLF wrote:
Remarkable how the I word has been kept out of the discussion by the media/political class despite the centrality of it to the electorate as a whole, and Conservative voters in particular.

https://www.conservativehome.com/platfo ... hange.html


I thought the I word is quite central to politics as in, I intend to do, I will, I will not, I if elected will, I am passionate about etc etc and indeed I will vote for, I couldn't vote for....

I, ooer, think you are referring to Israel though innit. Do you deny the Holocaust took place Mr Wolf?

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Rory Stewart can't help but tell the truth - that's why he has no chance in the Tory leadership race

In the four years that I've spent writing about politics, the international development secretary's campaign launch was the first event I can recall attending that wasn’t, in some way, an embarrassment - but that won't help him

From the big tent home of London’s most famous comedy festival, Rory Stewart launched the only Tory leadership campaign that wasn’t a complete joke.
For the first time, toward the end of two long days of madness, he was the first of his kind to stand behind a lectern with his name on, and refuse either to gild the truth, or to flat out lie. And right at the end, it was the truth that finished him off, but we’ll get to that in due course.
What would Rory Stewart do? Well this is what he wouldn’t do. “I don’t believe in promising things we can’t deliver. I don’t believe in pretending you’re going to get a new deal out of Brussels. I don’t believe in promising £42bn to a single department.” (That’s the defence department, by the way. Jeremy Hunt reckons he’s going to double defence spending. It isn’t going to happen.)
It was, at times, like getting into a warm bath, like having’s one faith restored. Like pulling off the motorway at your own junction, and driving back into your home town after a long time away. This is what politics used to be like, before the whole pasture was poisoned by people too venal or too cowardly to do anything but lie to you. It was, in the four years that I personally have spent writing about politics, the first event I can recall attending that wasn’t, in some way, an embarrassment.

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This commentator also went on to say that Stewart was 'pompous' in mentioning from Canute to Churchill, and was 'less convincing' in answers to Brexit.... In fact, fairly clueless...

And his background is almost as privileged as Boris. How does that square with 'uniting the people'?

He reminds me of the Lib Dems a few years ago who had a position on nothing very much, and wanted everyone to just agree with each other and get along nicely.... It was only in (partial) government that they replied that you can't be fluffy in power - you have to DECIDE things.

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We're now down to 7, though maybe a few might drop out.

So the country is now faced with:
Cholera
Malaria
AIDS
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Cancer
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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford

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How awful, not a Cantabrigian in sight.

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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford


I suppose you'd like it to be a black woman - to fill the PC quota up?
Unfortunately Ms Abbott bats for the opposition - shame that.
Maybe she can put her name forward for Jezza's place when that comes up ...to appease your feeling of prejudice..Now that WOULD be funny.


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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford


I suppose you'd like it to be a black woman - to fill the PC quota up?
Unfortunately Ms Abbott bats for the opposition - shame that.
Maybe she can put her name forward for Jezza's place when that comes up ...to appease your feeling of prejudice..Now that WOULD be funny.


I'd like it to be a credible candidate to effectively lead the UK domestically and on the world stage. But we all have our dreams dashed sooner or later...

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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford


You forget that the next prime minister sits within that lot. HE will become the new PM after being voted into that position by a massively white upper middle class tiny section of southern England. Mind you I would rather see Mr Pastry in than Abbot ffs.

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Rozza wrote:
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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford


You forget that the next prime minister sits within that lot. HE will become the new PM after being voted into that position by a massively white upper middle class tiny section of southern England. Mind you I would rather see Mr Pastry in than Abbot ffs.


Are you still so optimistic about "The Saj" (as he likes to call himself)? 23 votes from a high profile ministerial role doesn't exactly promote optimism for his prospects.

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Boris looks a cert, but Saj has increased his support since his nomination, I have seen certs lose before and at 25/1 he is worth a punt solely for the diversity card members.

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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford


Not really the whole story....

There is a difference between those from 'ordinary working class' backgrounds who were awarded a scholarship to go to a public school (Gove), and those from wealthy backgrounds that went through the 'Prep School, Public Boarding School' route (Johnson, Stewart...)

And though people might moan about Oxford folk predominating, I am afraid that since it is once of the very best universities in the world, and only admits VERY clever youngsters, it is not surprising.

Not ALL very clever people go to Oxbridge, but all who go are clever.

Whilst being academically clever does not make you wise or sensible, on the whole, I would rather my country be led by someone of great intellect AND who has wisdom & common sense AND principles....

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I would rather my country be led by someone of great intellect AND who has wisdom & common sense AND principles....


You must be very depressed at the state of the affairs then.

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I would rather my country be led by someone of great intellect AND who has wisdom & common sense AND principles....


You must be very depressed at the state of the affairs then.


It was my election manifesto....

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How awful, not a Cantabrigian in sight.


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Nice diverse field all in all to broadcast the party's hopes of appealing across the nation:

Michael Gove: White man, public school education, Oxford
Matt Hancock: White man, public school education, Oxford
Jeremy Hunt: White man, public school education, Oxford
Sajid Javid: Non-white man, comprehensive school education, University of Exeter
Boris Johnson: White man, public school education, Oxford
Dominic Raab: White man, grammar school, Oxford
Rory Stewart: White man, public school education, Oxford


I suppose you'd like it to be a black woman - to fill the PC quota up?
Unfortunately Ms Abbott bats for the opposition - shame that.
Maybe she can put her name forward for Jezza's place when that comes up ...to appease your feeling of prejudice..Now that WOULD be funny.


I'd like it to be a credible candidate to effectively lead the UK domestically and on the world stage. But we all have our dreams dashed sooner or later...


Rory Stewart is your best hope, how do you rate him?

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I'd like it to be a credible candidate to effectively lead the UK domestically and on the world stage. But we all have our dreams dashed sooner or later...


Rory Stewart is your best hope, how do you rate him?


I will for -the sake of this thread & for my ever tenuous grip on sanity -assume you are not aiming that question at me. :)


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I suppose you'd like it to be a black woman - to fill the PC quota up?
Unfortunately Ms Abbott bats for the opposition - shame that.
Maybe she can put her name forward for Jezza's place when that comes up ...to appease your feeling of prejudice..Now that WOULD be funny.


I'd like it to be a credible candidate to effectively lead the UK domestically and on the world stage. But we all have our dreams dashed sooner or later...


Rory Stewart is your best hope, how do you rate him?


As a potential statesman, not particularly highly.

Seems to have rushes of blood to the head (maybe it's all that Afghan opium?) and suffer from self-delusion. I have found his Little Lord Fauntleroy appearances in this contest/coronation quite amusing though; he is something of a maverick compared to the media-managed drivel the rest come up with (i.e. another PM who actively hides from the public) and put up against the other headbangers he doesn't fully repulse, but he's not a particularly serious individual.

Realistically, a country doesn't get itself into the paralysing mess that the UK is in if it had a functioning political system with credible leaders, so it is little wonder the field of candidates offered would all be weak fodder without answers for an island facing the perils of the 21st century.

And we won't even get started on the enablers and chancers on the other side of the Commons...

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