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OK - so you are writing the manifestos for Parties for next election (which will surely come sooner than anticipated). What do you say?

As the Brexit impasse is the CAUSE of the election, it MUST feature highly.

Lib Dems - no problem: "We are Remainers and will repeal Article 50 an ask EU to take us back!"
Brexit - no problem: "We demand LEAVE at any cost, as soon as possible!"
Change UK - no problem, because no-one cares.

But what on earth do the two 'main' parties say, without alienating half their supporters, and driving them into one of the two camps above? Last election they BOTH said they would deliver the will of the people and Leave - but those elected have palpably failed to do so.

What weasel words can be used to explain the Labour or the Tory position? If they are not CLEAR, they will get lambasted, as in the European elections.... And if they BOTH try to claim they will go back and re-negotiate the deal with the EU, the EU will say NO DEAL - and that is what we will be left with.

What a mess! Gentlemen, your manifestos please.....

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They could both quote from a very well known and loved anthem that is often performed by groups of the populous:

"In, out, in, out, shake it all about"

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Is the Hokey-Cokey REALLY what it is all about?

I think we should be told....

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You can be sure each will mention:

1. Brexit, 2. Climate Change, 3. NHS, 4. Knife Crime


If underwater basket weaving becomes a luvvies cause in the meantime, add that as well.

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My solution would be for the main two parties to field both a Leaver candidate (that would include No-Deal) & a Remainer candidate (revoke , remain etc.).

Those elected would adhere to that particular stance in all Brexit related voting only.

Then let the constituents vote accordingly ..That would sort out the Brexit Party and & the Lib Dems in one fell swoop.

This is the internet not the real world so that's my idea- can it be done, would it achieve anything? discuss.


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Brilliant idea!! But it won't happen!! And would those elected stick to their manifesto? The current crop stood on manifestos promising to 'deliver the Brexit referendum result' - and didn't!

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Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.


Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?


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davejonesears wrote:
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Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.


Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?


I think we should, and we have to make our own judgments on the people who request our vote.

In near 50 years of voting I have never been more certain about my vote which goes to Jeremy Corbyn.
Believe me through the decades there have been a multitude of liars, con men and shysters.

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knocker knowles wrote:
davejonesears wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.


Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?


I think we should, and we have to make our own judgments on the people who request our vote.

In near 50 years of voting I have never been more certain about my vote which goes to Jeremy Corbyn.
Believe me through the decades there have been a multitude of liars, con men and shysters.


Christ on a bike. Labour's last manifesto clearly stated they would respect the result of the referendum. What's their position now ?

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"]Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.[/quote]

Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?[/quote]

I think we should, and we have to make our own judgments on the people who request our vote.

In near 50 years of voting I have never been more certain about my vote which goes to Jeremy Corbyn.
Believe me through the decades there have been a multitude of liars, con men and shysters.[/quote]

Christ on a bike. Labour's last manifesto clearly stated they would respect the result of the referendum. What's their position now ?[/quote]

The very slightest of research or attention to the details would tell you that respecting the referendum result was conditional.

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knocker knowles wrote:
"]Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.


Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?[/quote]

I think we should, and we have to make our own judgments on the people who request our vote.

In near 50 years of voting I have never been more certain about my vote which goes to Jeremy Corbyn.
Believe me through the decades there have been a multitude of liars, con men and shysters.[/quote]

Christ on a bike. Labour's last manifesto clearly stated they would respect the result of the referendum. What's their position now ?[/quote]

The very slightest of research or attention to the details would tell you that respecting the referendum result was conditional.[/quote]

As I can't be bothered to look it up and as you know can you tell me... Conditional on what exactly?


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The very slightest of research or attention to the details would tell you that respecting the referendum result was conditional.


Another Knocker disingenuity. The opening sentence of the Negotiating Brexit section of the Labour Manifesto says:

"Labour respects the referendum result and a Labour government will put the national interest first." No buts there just the determination to put the national interest first after the result has been respected.

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davejonesears wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
"]Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.


Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?


I think we should, and we have to make our own judgments on the people who request our vote.

In near 50 years of voting I have never been more certain about my vote which goes to Jeremy Corbyn.
Believe me through the decades there have been a multitude of liars, con men and shysters.[/quote]

Christ on a bike. Labour's last manifesto clearly stated they would respect the result of the referendum. What's their position now ?[/quote]

The very slightest of research or attention to the details would tell you that respecting the referendum result was conditional.[/quote]

As I can't be bothered to look it up and as you know can you tell me... Conditional on what exactly?[/quote]

This is a continued problem with the British electorate, not listening or researching whats actually said. Folk seem to believe what the media say Labour have said rather than what was actually said.

Little wonder the country has been used to decades of useless Tory governments.

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knocker knowles wrote:
davejonesears wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
"]Piss poor Tory leadership could see the UK in a NO DEAL outcome.

From that, within twelve months they will be begging the EU to be back in.

At this point we can expect meaningful manifestos.


Shouldn't we always expect meaningful manifesto's?

Is it too much to ask , in contrast to the last manifesto's which were ignored once MP's got sat down in their seats?


I think we should, and we have to make our own judgments on the people who request our vote.

In near 50 years of voting I have never been more certain about my vote which goes to Jeremy Corbyn.
Believe me through the decades there have been a multitude of liars, con men and shysters.


Christ on a bike. Labour's last manifesto clearly stated they would respect the result of the referendum. What's their position now ?[/quote]

The very slightest of research or attention to the details would tell you that respecting the referendum result was conditional.[/quote]

As I can't be bothered to look it up and as you know can you tell me... Conditional on what exactly?[/quote]

This is a continued problem with the British electorate, not listening or researching whats actually said. Folk seem to believe what the media say Labour have said rather than what was actually said.

Little wonder the country has been used to decades of useless Tory governments.[/quote]

Oh sorry I thought you knew what the conditions were & I merely wanted you to explain their seemingly contradictory position. It appears you can't.

still don't worry about it i see LB's post has clarified their manifesto statement & position-chees LB-.


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The key point being the only manifesto that matters in any General Election is the winning one.

Then its important the opposition places certain conditions on the content that follows during negotiations with the EU.
Before voting on the final agreed deal.

Who in their right mind would give this useless Government a blank cheque.

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The key point being the only manifesto that matters in any General Election is the winning one.

Then its important the opposition places certain conditions on the content that follows during negotiations with the EU.
Before voting on the final agreed deal.

Who in their right mind would give this useless Government a blank cheque.


Absolutely. Who won the last three again ?

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The key point being the only manifesto that matters in any General Election is the winning one.

Then its important the opposition places certain conditions on the content that follows during negotiations with the EU.
Before voting on the final agreed deal.

Who in their right mind would give this useless Government a blank cheque.


Absolutely. Who won the last three again ?


I guess that's an easy answer when studies show the UK has nine of the most poverty ridden regions within the European top ten.

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The key point being the only manifesto that matters in any General Election is the winning one.

Then its important the opposition places certain conditions on the content that follows during negotiations with the EU.
Before voting on the final agreed deal.

Who in their right mind would give this useless Government a blank cheque.


Absolutely. Who won the last three again ?


I guess that's an easy answer when studies show the UK has nine of the most poverty ridden regions within the European top ten.


Source?

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]The key point being the only manifesto that matters in any General Election is the winning one.

Then its important the opposition places certain conditions on the content that follows during negotiations with the EU.
Before voting on the final agreed deal.

Who in their right mind would give this useless Government a blank cheque.[/quote]

Absolutely. Who won the last three again ?[/quote]

I guess that's an easy answer when studies show the UK has nine of the most poverty ridden regions within the European top ten.[/quote]

Source?[/quote]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... ope/06/06/

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Ahhhh your source is from "Inequality Briefing". A totally discredited ultra left wing think tank, who's briefings are even more fantasy based than the majority of the drivel you refer to.

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Ahhhh your source is from "Inequality Briefing". A totally discredited ultra left wing think tank, who's briefings are even more fantasy based than the majority of the drivel you refer to.


Common theme with Tories, if they don't like the news discredit the news.

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The key point being the only manifesto that matters in any General Election is the winning one.

Then its important the opposition places certain conditions on the content that follows during negotiations with the EU.
Before voting on the final agreed deal.

Who in their right mind would give this useless Government a blank cheque.


Absolutely. Who won the last three again ?


I guess that's an easy answer when studies show the UK has nine of the most poverty ridden regions within the European top ten.


Source?

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Ahhhh your source is from "Inequality Briefing". A totally discredited ultra left wing think tank, who's briefings are even more fantasy based than the majority of the drivel you refer to.


Common theme with Tories, if they don't like the news discredit the news.


That was a very Blairist thing and it is also pretty Knockerist too - hence your regular rants about the BBC and "The right wing Media".

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Election bribery in play as the Tories suddenly find another money tree.

Hold on, your about to throw the economy under the bus with NO DEAL BREXIT.

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Election bribery in play as the Tories suddenly find another money tree.

Hold on, your about to throw the economy under the bus with NO DEAL BREXIT.


if you say so it must be true.


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Election bribery in play as the Tories suddenly find another money tree.

Hold on, your about to throw the economy under the bus with NO DEAL BREXIT.


if you say so it must be true.


Your view has the same value as mine, feel free to air it.

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https://youtu.be/N2w0QweWlrQ


This is what you will be voting for.



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https://youtu.be/N2w0QweWlrQ


This is what you will be voting for.


Like something from those old satirical comedy sketches a la Monty Python / Not the nine o`clock news.

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