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 Post subject: New Labour Leader.
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I think those names being proposed by the left wouldn't be suitable.

I wouldn't want Nandy or Phillips either.

If its a woman I would look to the experience of Yvette Cooper who would bring the party together and hold Johnson to account.

Others on my short list.

Stephen Kinnock.
Clive Lewis.
Dan Jarvis.

As deputy I would like to see Debbie Abrahams or Andrew Gwynne.

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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Get Alan Johnson out of retirement and then they'd be credible.

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Dan Jarvis would worry the Tories. However, he will also worry the Marxists and Momentum. With the current party organisation, your best bets have absolutely no chance. You've got a better bet with Butler leading the country with her drug dealing son, from her undeserved Council House.

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Will be a right power struggle.

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If the left try to insert a candidate who supports Corbyn's package of policies they will not return to power for a long time. A bit of compromise will be necessary. I heard McDonnell saying he accepts responsibility for the defeat but then immediately blaming Brexit and the press so not really accepting it at all. No change expected there then. If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got. I met Alan Johnson once and was quite impressed - he admitted (privately) that he thought Blair had moved too far to the right but the left as now epitomised by Corbyn were a nightmare. Good call from Gladbach - get him in (as if Momentum would even glance in his direction)

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Jeff Smith said Corbyn’s claim that Labour had ‘won the argument’ even if that didn’t mean a majority was ‘Exactly the kind of self delusion we can’t afford to indulge in at this time”

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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Early odds.

Rebecca Long Bailey is the red hot bookies favourite to become next Labour leader

11/10 Rebecca Long Bailey
4/1 KIer Starmer
4/1 Lisa Nandy
12/1 Jess Phillips
20/1 Yvette Cooper
25/1 Angela Rayner

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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knocker knowles wrote:
Early odds.

Rebecca Long Bailey is the red hot bookies favourite to become next Labour leader

11/10 Rebecca Long Bailey
4/1 KIer Starmer
4/1 Lisa Nandy
12/1 Jess Phillips
20/1 Yvette Cooper
25/1 Angela Rayner

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Utter disaster if another hidden Marxist gets the job.

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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Wrong-Daily is firm favourite, more of the same. Kebab Stammer says the Party should not move to the center, more of the same.

The (utter, Labour word of the week) denial that Marxism, yet again, has been canned by the British people will leave Labour not only in the wilderness, but on the verge of splitting and becoming a footnote (pardon the pun) in history.

I genuinely fear for British politics if we become a generational Tory dictatorship. This will happen, no matter how many times fools claim they were right, the people were stupid, it was a jew that did it, or the BBC was to blame. Utter pig-headed fanaticism, sinks socialism deeper in the mire.

Every day the denial becomes more entrenched. Every day, fools begin to believe even deeper in their own rhetoric . What a mess.

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I hope that those throwing their hat in the ring have an awareness of their own personal popularity outside of the Westminster bubble.

A few of them seem to be unaware they would be unelectable.

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I hope that those throwing their hat in the ring have an awareness of their own personal popularity outside of the Westminster bubble.

A few of them seem to be unaware they would be unelectable.


Ha ha ha, you just described wurzel in that post to a tee mate.

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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knocker knowles wrote:
I hope that those throwing their hat in the ring have an awareness of their own personal popularity outside of the Westminster bubble.

A few of them seem to be unaware they would be unelectable.


Ha ha ha, you just described wurzel in that post to a tee mate.


I really don't believe he said that?

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knocker knowles wrote:
I hope that those throwing their hat in the ring have an awareness of their own personal popularity outside of the Westminster bubble.

A few of them seem to be unaware they would be unelectable.


Ha ha ha, you just described wurzel in that post to a tee mate.


That's obviously the case for many a voter.

My own view is Jeremy is twice the politician with far more honesty compassion and integrity than many who will pour scorn on him during this post election period.

But that's by the by unless you can change the perception of yourself to a positive during your leadership you may as well not bother.
Reality means very little at times.

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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My own view is Jeremy is twice the politician with far more honesty compassion and integrity than many who will pour scorn on him during this post election period.



I hoped he would be like that but to me he failed in those areas by lying when he called Theresa May a stupid woman, by doing everything to avoid apologizing for the anti semitic behaviour of party members, by not sticking to his own personal view on Brexit when he had effectively been anti EU throughout his career. and by pretending that the reason he was friends with Hezbolah and the IRA etc. was because it was necessary to talk to all parties when it was really because he supported the aims of those groups. I think his real qualities were readily exposed during his leadership.

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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knocker knowles wrote:
Early odds.

Rebecca Long Bailey is the red hot bookies favourite to become next Labour leader

11/10 Rebecca Long Bailey
4/1 KIer Starmer
4/1 Lisa Nandy
12/1 Jess Phillips
20/1 Yvette Cooper
25/1 Angela Rayner

33s bar


Fascinating. And the first official entry ... Lady Emily Thornberry (who keeps wanting to dis-avow her 'Lady' title. Why? Embarrassed it doesn't go well with the good folk of Workington? Well neither doe the fact you are yet another from the Islington mafia!)

Long-Bailey - scary! Will whinge and whine and alienate voters
Starmer - still looks startled & caught in headlight. Lacks 'presence'. No chance
Nandy - sensible & nice enough, but seems to lack gravitas. Could she 'be the boss"?
Phillips - perhaps too sensible, but likes her media image & profile too much? Would stir things up. Nicely feisty!
Cooper - perhaps a 'compromise' candidate, but feels a bit 'yesterday'....
Rayner - NOOOOOOOO! That's all.
Thornberry - feisty to battle Boris, but would eventually annoy ALL voters with her smugness & self-righteous attitude.

So who? Don't like to intrude on private grief, but I suspect a candidate will emerge who as yet no-one is discussing. But why are the front runners (almost) all women? Does Labour feel it HAS to have a woman leader to appease all the PC folk who just think 'any woman would be preferable to any man?'

I shall sit back and watch with interest!

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 Post subject: Re: New Labour Leader.
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knocker knowles wrote:
I hope that those throwing their hat in the ring have an awareness of their own personal popularity outside of the Westminster bubble.

A few of them seem to be unaware they would be unelectable.


Ha ha ha, you just described wurzel in that post to a tee mate.



You are a very naughty boy...……..but you're spot on..;-)

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knocker knowles wrote:
Early odds.

Rebecca Long Bailey is the red hot bookies favourite to become next Labour leader

11/10 Rebecca Long Bailey Another Momentum brainwashed candidate.
4/1 KIer Starmer Remainer, no chance.
4/1 Lisa Nandy Gobshite.
12/1 Jess Phillips Hysterical gobshite.
20/1 Yvette Cooper Joke.
25/1 Angela Rayner Who..??

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Andy Burnham or Alan Johnson. Two credible leaders who are LABOUR.

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knocker knowles wrote:
Early odds.

Rebecca Long Bailey is the red hot bookies favourite to become next Labour leader

11/10 Rebecca Long Bailey Another Momentum brainwashed candidate.
4/1 KIer Starmer Remainer, no chance.
4/1 Lisa Nandy Gobshite.
12/1 Jess Phillips Hysterical gobshite.
20/1 Yvette Cooper Joke.
25/1 Angela Rayner Who..??

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Andy Burnham or Alan Johnson. Two credible leaders who are LABOUR.


But the Executive Committee is controlled by champagne communists. You will get Wrong-Daily, stitched on.

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Love "Wrong-Daily" !! I am sure she can live up to it! A dream for jokers.

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Clive Lewis to stand for Labour leader with a pledge to go further than Jeremy Corbyn in giving members a say on policy and a more decisive break with Blair/Brown era.

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Clive Lewis to stand for Labour leader with a pledge to go further than Jeremy Corbyn in giving members a say on policy and a more decisive break with Blair/Brown era.


With the new elective process, middle of the road socialists stand absolutely no chance. Even those like Stammer, have to pretend to be quasi - Marxists or they can't even enter the race. The lack of acceptance that the UK will never vote for Marxism, will condemn Labour to an irrelevance for a lifetime.

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I get the feeling that the Labour Party NEEDS this to be a long, drawn out, bloody battle for the leadership in order for there to be time for those 'middle of the road' folk to get the courage to rise up and challenge the far left and expose the follies of continuing on the current course.

Problem is that the physics definition of 'momentum' includes 'direction', and I don't see the Momentum group as changing their direction easily.

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My own point of view a key for everyone in Labour is to be smarter with its message.

To find ways to control its own narrative, to showcase it, to develop the theory to the nation rather than to be constantly defending it or the cost of it.

To use the old media rather than be abused by the old media. That requires deep thought.

To help people understand the WHY

THE NEED FOR EACH POLICY AND SPENDING PLAN.

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New Marxist Labour thought they could do and say what they liked, and the Northern working man would meakly follow.

Until they find a way to make the hard working happy to give up their hard earned cash to the idle and work-shy, and to accept a government that puts dogma before country, they will never see power.

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My own point of view a key for everyone in Labour is to be smarter with its message.

To find ways to control its own narrative, to showcase it, to develop the theory to the nation rather than to be constantly defending it or the cost of it.

To use the old media rather than be abused by the old media. That requires deep thought.

To help people understand the WHY

THE NEED FOR EACH POLICY AND SPENDING PLAN.


Some of the policies are laudable but they have to convince the electorate that they are affordable and that seems to me a glaring weakness. They say they will charge the top 5% of rich people - they assume that all of these people will sit back and let the government take their money away, I suspect that it would be different. Eventually they will be bringing tax hikes to the average earner and companies will cut back on staff, and maybe productivity, rather than pay significantly higher wages, national insurance etc. This is when economic reality would set in. The point is that the electorate are not as thick as the Labour leadership think and they can see through all this.

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What do people feel about the obvious frontrunner Wrong-Daily, employing someone who as an admitted communist/Stalinist and who wears badges extolling the Ice-pick in the ear that poor old Trotsky got in Mexico, a much loved event immortalised by The Stranglers?

As I think most agree a strong Labour Party/opposition is essential for our democracy to be held to account. As this country will never democratically vote for Communism, is the so called "Labour Party" sounding It's own death knell ? :oops:

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If they go for her, it is another 15 years in the wilderness....

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If they go for her, it is another 15 years in the wilderness....


Time will tell, we could see a massive political sea change when Brexit starts to bite the Working class arse.
Give it 18 months.

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Agree that things may well be difficult in 18 months, but Boris has anoth 2+ years after that to get improvents -and do a big give-away in advance of another election!

As you say, time will tell. But time is also a great healer. Does Labour have enough time to address the seriousness & extent of its wounds?

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