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This afternoon alone two trusts have prioritised private patients over NHS patients.
One cancelling tomorrows TCIs due to bed pressure but keeping the private patient & one bedding a patient through a&e from private clinic ahead of NHS.
Both found not to be more clinically urgent.

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This afternoon alone two trusts have prioritised private patients over NHS patients.
One cancelling tomorrows TCIs due to bed pressure but keeping the private patient & one bedding a patient through a&e from private clinic ahead of NHS.
Both found not to be more clinically urgent.


Name and shame them mate. Let's see who are their political masters in local Council !!!!!!

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Richard Branson's Virgin healthcare firm scoops £1bn of NHS contracts

THATS 1 BILLION FOLKS

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -contracts

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Richard Branson's Virgin healthcare firm scoops £1bn of NHS contracts

THATS 1 BILLION FOLKS

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -contracts


We can agree on that- he is a self serving twat of the highest order a smug supercilious arsehole - there are too many of his ilk making too much money out of 'services' - riding the gravy train (literaly in Bransons case!)


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Had a shock today, I take my Mom, to the eye infirmary at New Cross, for her yearly check up.
Her next appointment is January 15, because of work, I can't take her, so I phoned up today to rearrange the appointment, and they offered me February 6... 2019!
I asked him if he was sure and he said "the next available appointment is 06/02/19."

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Had a shock today, I take my Mom, to the eye infirmary at New Cross, for her yearly check up.
Her next appointment is January 15, because of work, I can't take her, so I phoned up today to rearrange the appointment, and they offered me February 6... 2019!
I asked him if he was sure and he said "the next available appointment is 06/02/19."


That is an absolute joke- still I'm sure privating some of the NHS will help that... :roll:


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Look no further.

4.1% = Average annual increase in NHS funding 1950-2010.


1.3% = Average annual increase in NHS funding 2010-2017.


YOU NEED 4% TO JUST STAND STILL.


This is deliberate underfunding.

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Look no further.

4.1% = Average annual increase in NHS funding 1950-2010.


1.3% = Average annual increase in NHS funding 2010-2017.


YOU NEED 4% TO JUST STAND STILL.


This is deliberate underfunding.



Statistically meaningless comparing a 60 year period with a 7 year one. What was the figure for each year to arrive at the 60 year average, were there low periods as well as high ones, is the overall average distorted by times when inflation was running at 10% or 20%?

I have said before that I believe that the Tories are under funding the NHS (as they are under funding many other things) but there is only so much money in the economy and it is about choices. Using random statistics which are tailored to suit an argument doesn't help.

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I am awaiting my second cataract removal operation which is due to take place on Wednesday 17th January, this was an amended date after my original second operation scheduled for December 12th was cancelled due to " Insufficient staff in the operating theatre". I now await a letter or phone call to tell me this re-arranged operation will be cancelled as my type of treatment is deemed non urgent. However, I am due to report to a local Private Hospital for my operation, which is paid for by the NHS....so who knows if I get the operation as arranged or if it will be cancelled for a second time..?? Whatever happens is no big deal for me but it is more clearer than ever that the NHS needs far more funding, beds, doctors, training and also we need to sort out the "health tourists" as well as the wasters who block beds and overburden the A & E's everywhere..

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I am awaiting my second cataract removal operation which is due to take place on Wednesday 17th January, this was an amended date after my original second operation scheduled for December 12th was cancelled due to " Insufficient staff in the operating theatre". I now await a letter or phone call to tell me this re-arranged operation will be cancelled as my type of treatment is deemed non urgent. However, I am due to report to a local Private Hospital for my operation, which is paid for by the NHS....so who knows if I get the operation as arranged or if it will be cancelled for a second time..?? Whatever happens is no big deal for me but it is more clearer than ever that the NHS needs far more funding, beds, doctors, training and also we need to sort out the "health tourists" as well as the wasters who block beds and overburden the A & E's everywhere..


Funding is a major issue and has been getting progressively worse for years. One problem is that those who are entrusted with balancing budgets tend to make "cuts" on the premise that their own jobs are essential and unassailable. There are many, many senior jobs in the bureaucracy that could be lost without any real negative impact on clinical performance but turkeys won't vote for christmas.

The reduction in beds came about because of the half baked ideas which were, and still are prevalent in some quarters that much hospital care can be carried out in the community. Hospitals used this to reduce beds thus helping to balance budgets but the counter balance of an increase in community care beds didn't happen because of swingeing cuts in local authority funding. The increasing demand on the NHS has got out of hand with increasing population ageing population, reduction in beds, flu epidemics, changes to GP contracts which reduced out of hours services etc. but I believe that health tourism is only a very small part of this overall increase. I would also say that "bed blocking" is not largely caused by wasters but by people who have been genuinely ill and now need care and attention outside the hospital environment but either have insufficient care available at home or no access to nursing or care home beds. The government really needs to input billions TO THE RIGHT PLACES to sort it out but the economic cost would be horrendous.

There is not an overnight fix anyway as doctors take many years to train and other professionals such as nurses also take several years. The people are not available off the streets. The size of hospital premises has often been reduced too and it would take some years to replace lost buildings. There is always the suspicion that the Tories want to privatize the NHS by stealth but, whilst there may be an element of this, I think it is really more about a totally unmanageable problem which has grown over the last 30+ years.

I feel really sorry for people whose operations have been cancelled including yourself Gladbach and I hope your revised date is kept. I do think, however, that the problems are more deep seated than anything created by the current government and there should be a wider cross party acknowledgement that everyone needs to work together on this and cut the political bickering and in fighting which has been no help to the NHS since I first became involve in the early 1990's (and probably before) . It's a bleak prospect but the Tories aren't solving it and I don't believe the Socialists will be able to either.

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Back in October, Jeremy Hunt and the Tory media boasted of Hunt's pledge for 5,000 extra nurse places.

There are approximately 40,000 registered nurse vacancies in England alone.

The RCN say this has doubled in the last 3 years.

This is a Tory made NHS crisis.

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Back in October, Jeremy Hunt and the Tory media boasted of Hunt's pledge for 5,000 extra nurse places.

There are approximately 40,000 registered nurse vacancies in England alone.

The RCN say this has doubled in the last 3 years.

This is a Tory made NHS crisis.


Actually, part of the problem lies in a Labour party decision to cut Nursing Commissions to Universities significantly around 8-10 years ago because the plans then were that less hospital beds would be required as care in the community panned out. The results of this have been hitting home in the last 3 to 4 years. Hospitals, in the main, don't keep these vacancies because of their funding crisis (although most of them have one) it is because there aren't enough recruits around and the Nurses take advantage and just keep circling around the NHS for improved job offers or in some cases register with agencies which is far more flexible for them and can be more lucrative. It also became far more difficult to recruit nurses from places such as the Phillipines as the English standard set by the Royal College of Nursing got ridiculously high, much higher than our GCSE standard, and they have only very recently begun to realize that. If a Labour party came in tomorrow and promised to fill those 40000 vacancies I am certain that they would fail because the supply is not there. The pledge by Hunt was, I suspect, related to increasing the number of commissions to universities again. Bear in mind that the hospitals have to calculate and submit their requirements 5 years ahead so that universities can during year 1 plan and provide places for the three year course (years 2-4) and then, following application for their registration, the new nurses become available during the 5th year. A pledge in October 2017 will not impact the number of Qualified Nurses available until 2022.

We need to stop the one eyed approach to blame and start working collectively across all parties to reach common policies to mitigate the problems.

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Blaming any one party for the decline over many years of the NHS just politicises a topic of such importance, that people who really cared about the country would put aside such shenanigans for the good of the whole.

Illness recognises no political affiliation.

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Blaming any one party for the decline over many years of the NHS just politicises a topic of such importance, that people who really cared about the country would put aside such shenanigans for the good of the whole.

Illness recognises no political affiliation.


Its frightening if you really believe that guff.

Its even more frightening if the majority of Tory voters think the same.

The Tories are intentionally destroying the NHS, deliberate underfunding.

If you cant pay your fucked.

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To me it is frightening when people have a biased perspective on something as important as this and refuse to see a wider picture.

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Worst NHS winter crisis since the 1990s leads to drastic measures for staff struggling to cope


Nurses leave packed A&E units to treat patients in ambulances


https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... AndroidApp

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Worst NHS winter crisis since the 1990s leads to drastic measures for staff struggling to cope


Nurses leave packed A&E units to treat patients in ambulances


https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... AndroidApp


Yes and it needs urgent attention but all you can think of is to blame the current government. I agree that they have some culpability but the underlying causes of the problems are far more wide ranging than current Tory policies including things that Blair and Brown's governments did. Stop seeing it as a party political points scoring issue and start thinking about what we can do as a nation to maintain the NHS and for it to be affordable to the country.

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NHS crises are deliberately manufactured by the Tories so it looks like it's failing.

Private sector is then presented as the saviour.

Many Tory MPs and peers have financial links to private healthcare and large firms including US and Tory donors.


http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co ... l.html?m=1

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Many Tory MPs and peers have financial links to private healthcare and large firms including US and Tory donors.


Labour MP's and Peers too by the look of things.

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So Hunt keeps his job ...and gets Social Care added ...Jesus Christ how did that happen !
I think Teressa May has dropped an almighty bolock here...this was surely a shock to many ?

To Quote the BBC:

"Jeremy Hunt argued "strongly and passionately" to stay on in his job as Secretary of State for Health, the BBC understands.

In what was a "fluid" situation, Mr Hunt was able to "persuade" the prime minister not just that he should stay at health but also take on responsibility for the future of social care policy, which was being developed by the Cabinet Office.

It is understood the discussion between the prime minister and Mr Hunt had "knock on" effects on the rest of the reshuffle.

It’s understood he did not stay at health because Greg Clark refused to move. Sources close to Mr Clark say, in fact, that Theresa May did not discuss him leaving his role this afternoon."


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I think May was given instructions from above to not go ahead of promoting a patsy from the back benches Ann Milton into the role.

Hunt has the calm front of an executioner, exactly what he is, and is part way through the Tory plan of privatisation and dismantlement.

Milton would probably have given the game away over the period of this parliament, so steady as she goes.

The NHS will become two tiered, if you can pay you will get first class treatment.

If you cant its wait where you can find a space in a pot luck with your health system.

When you phone an ambulance you will have not a clue to the response time or whats waiting at the other end.

Never trust a Tory. Well if you value your health.

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Reports that the French have offered to do the British cancelled operations, they have spare capacity.

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Falling number of nurses in the NHS paints a worrying picture

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2017/ ... gIwSPD_BwE

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My second cataract operation goes ahead at 16-30 today. Hopefully no last minute cancellation. Report out today says there are more leavers than joiners amongst our nurses, this HAS to be looked at and acted upon asap, cross party committee required for this methinks.

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My second cataract operation goes ahead at 16-30 today. Hopefully no last minute cancellation. Report out today says there are more leavers than joiners amongst our nurses, this HAS to be looked at and acted upon asap, cross party committee required for this methinks.


Labour raised the question of Nurses bursaries in the house a couple of years back, they were defeated on a vote by the Conservative majority.

You have to realise the Tories only care about the private sector.

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You have to realise the Tories only care about the private sector.


But you have to realise that Labour sowed the seeds for many of the Nursing problems which are now coming to fruition. Tories failure has been the lack of effort in trying to turn it round.

Cross party committee is the most realistic way forward to avoid "it was you, no it was you, no it was you".

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The public's health and the NHS are too important nowadays to be used as a political table tennis ball. Let's have a referendum on this...

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The public's health and the NHS are too important nowadays to be used as a political table tennis ball. Let's have a referendum on this...


Did your op go ahead then Gladbach? All ok?

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The public's health and the NHS are too important nowadays to be used as a political table tennis ball. Let's have a referendum on this...


Did your op go ahead then Gladbach? All ok?



Yes, thanks, LB, it went ahead at 19-00 and I was back home by 8 p.m. Bit blurry vision for a few days, can see well long distance but reading a paper etc needs reading glasses. Onwards and upwards.

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