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A twenty four year old was interviewed suspected of being involved in an Affray. He was later released :shock:

Well that's good then. Justice seen to be done. Pay rises and medals for all Police Commissioners.

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The UK is totally out of control crime wise and has been for some time now but this knife crime saga is getting beyond anybody's patience. Even with big increases in police recruiting, how can you stop a seemingly "young person's fashion" from losing even more lives..?? Over to you, Rozza...

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The UK is totally out of control crime wise and has been for some time now but this knife crime saga is getting beyond anybody's patience. Even with big increases in police recruiting, how can you stop a seemingly "young person's fashion" from losing even more lives..?? Over to you, Rozza...


The "Scottish Myth" is just that. As well as treating gangsterism as a sickness, they more than doubled sentences for carrying weapons and quadrupled stop and search. In England, the poor lambs are lauded by their so called community workers, and blame is firmly placed on the Government and the Police. I can't remember one recorded instance where the Government ordered a snotty scrote to stab someone, or a police officer looked the other way while he did.....scum

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The sentence has to be a powerful enough deterrent.

Crime seems to pay at the moment.

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Maybe we should be "Tough on crime.Tough of the causes of crime"

...oh hang on that soundbite was used already.


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Maybe we should be "Tough on crime.Tough of the causes of crime"

...oh hang on that soundbite was used already.


That's the problem with Governments the ministers are full of bullshit soundbites, and they get away with it.

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Maybe we should be "Tough on crime.Tough of the causes of crime"

...oh hang on that soundbite was used already.


That's the problem with Governments the ministers are full of bullshit soundbites, and they get away with it.


They need to learn. Perhaps they should focus on Education, Education, Education.

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Maybe we should be "Tough on crime.Tough of the causes of crime"

...oh hang on that soundbite was used already.


That's the problem with Governments the ministers are full of bullshit soundbites, and they get away with it.


They need to learn. Perhaps they should focus on Education, Education, Education.


Labour will spend spend spend. Your money that is, until it's all gone.

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You read about cases and think was it worth the bother.

Recently the police spent three years on those Polish slave traders.

Once convicted the sentence seemed very light.

You think other Poles will fill the void because they will view the opportunity as profitable.

With getting caught a slap on the wrist.


Is it worth the bother?

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knocker knowles wrote:
You read about cases and think was it worth the bother.

Recently the police spent three years on those Polish slave traders.

Once convicted the sentence seemed very light.

You think other Poles will fill the void because they will view the opportunity as profitable.

With getting caught a slap on the wrist.


Is it worth the bother?


So is it the sentencing you think needs addressing then?

As obviously if they didn't bother at all there would be even less of a deterrent.


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knocker knowles wrote:
You read about cases and think was it worth the bother.

Recently the police spent three years on those Polish slave traders.

Once convicted the sentence seemed very light.

You think other Poles will fill the void because they will view the opportunity as profitable.

With getting caught a slap on the wrist.


Is it worth the bother?


So is it the sentencing you think needs addressing then?

As obviously if they didn't bother at all there would be even less of a deterrent.


A key to one aspect of Brexit would be the control of the criminal elements entering, doing crime, getting caught, then having the legal right to deport them.

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knocker knowles wrote:
davejonesears wrote:
knocker knowles wrote:
You read about cases and think was it worth the bother.

Recently the police spent three years on those Polish slave traders.

Once convicted the sentence seemed very light.

You think other Poles will fill the void because they will view the opportunity as profitable.

With getting caught a slap on the wrist.


Is it worth the bother?


So is it the sentencing you think needs addressing then?

As obviously if they didn't bother at all there would be even less of a deterrent.


A key to one aspect of Brexit would be the control of the criminal elements entering, doing crime, getting caught, then having the legal right to deport them.



It not really about Brexit though is it ...it's about what are suitable levels of punishment for certain crimes.

Although deportation of convicted EU criminals should be a given - maybe dependent on the crime.


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"]You read about cases and think was it worth the bother.

Recently the police spent three years on those Polish slave traders.

Once convicted the sentence seemed very light.

You think other Poles will fill the void because they will view the opportunity as profitable.

With getting caught a slap on the wrist.


Is it worth the bother?[/quote]

So is it the sentencing you think needs addressing then?

As obviously if they didn't bother at all there would be even less of a deterrent.[/quote]

A key to one aspect of Brexit would be the control of the criminal elements entering, doing crime, getting caught, then having the legal right to deport them.


It not really about Brexit though is it ...it's about what are suitable levels of punishment for certain crimes.

Although deportation of convicted EU criminals should be a given - maybe dependent on the crime.[/quote]

I suppose when the shit hits the fan post Brexit the divisions within the nation could get wider and violent, with the blame game raising temperatures.
Still depends on the media to a great extent to tell the truth ok that's stretching it a bit.

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knocker knowles wrote:
"]You read about cases and think was it worth the bother.

Recently the police spent three years on those Polish slave traders.

Once convicted the sentence seemed very light.

You think other Poles will fill the void because they will view the opportunity as profitable.

With getting caught a slap on the wrist.


Is it worth the bother?


So is it the sentencing you think needs addressing then?

As obviously if they didn't bother at all there would be even less of a deterrent.[/quote]

A key to one aspect of Brexit would be the control of the criminal elements entering, doing crime, getting caught, then having the legal right to deport them.


It not really about Brexit though is it ...it's about what are suitable levels of punishment for certain crimes.

Although deportation of convicted EU criminals should be a given - maybe dependent on the crime.[/quote]

I suppose when the shit hits the fan post Brexit the divisions within the nation could get wider and violent, with the blame game raising temperatures.
Still depends on the media to a great extent to tell the truth ok that's stretching it a bit.[/quote]

See I don't have a great problem with that - go to an EU country -commit a crime -get kicked out.

Especially organised/major crime that should be a given.

You haven't really espoused the EU Values in the first place have you, so you shouldn't be able to use them to circumvent deportation.


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I think its far to easy for world scum to move between countries, commit all manner of crime then move on if facing court action.

Generally UK folk turn a blind eye until it effects them, but the percentages are getting higher that it will effect them.

How do you police these people.

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I think its far to easy for world scum to move between countries, commit all manner of crime then move on if facing court action.

Generally UK folk turn a blind eye until it effects them, but the percentages are getting higher that it will effect them.

How do you police these people.


Ask Tony Blair. He created the policies that let them in.

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I think its far to easy for world scum to move between countries, commit all manner of crime then move on if facing court action.

Generally UK folk turn a blind eye until it effects them, but the percentages are getting higher that it will effect them.

How do you police these people.


Ask Tony Blair. He created the policies that let them in.


And his Mrs created a profitable business looking after their legal defences, win win for the Blurr's.

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I read yesterday that someone who had raped then murdered a 6 year old girl was given a 3 year reduction on his sentence.

Are there any words.

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Just think about this for a moment.

The Human race has a massive problem.

The year 2019.

39 people died in the back of a lorry.

Give it some thought.

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Just think about this for a moment.

The Human race has a massive problem.

The year 2019.

39 people died in the back of a lorry.

Give it some thought.


No doubt encouraged by Labour's open door policy, started by Blair and finished with the doors wide-open if Corbyn get's in.

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PLEASE can we not turn this horrific event into a political football?

All we suspect is that a gang of unscrupulous men have taken huge amounts of money off other desperate men just wanting to better themselves and the prospects for their families, and stuck them in the back of a lorry and created conditions where they almost inevitably died.

I suppose we COULD surmise that something went horribly wrong, and that the gang INTENDED the victims to survive and scatter and lead good and prosperous lives in the UK ... but one rather doubts it.

A horrible tragedy driven by evil men. I am sure not one of them has a single political thought or theory let alone philosophy, so please can we not start to politicise this?

We should all weep and hang our heads, not start pointing fingers.

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PLEASE can we not turn this horrific event into a political football?

All we suspect is that a gang of unscrupulous men have taken huge amounts of money off other desperate men just wanting to better themselves and the prospects for their families, and stuck them in the back of a lorry and created conditions where they almost inevitably died.

I suppose we COULD surmise that something went horribly wrong, and that the gang INTENDED the victims to survive and scatter and lead good and prosperous lives in the UK ... but one rather doubts it.

A horrible tragedy driven by evil men. I am sure not one of them has a single political thought or theory let alone philosophy, so please can we not start to politicise this?

We should all weep and hang our heads, not start pointing fingers.


Well said. I have sadly become somewhat immune to the horrors of Eastern people smuggling after watching many thousands of Vietnamese try it for years on a daily basis. Being reminded of humanity a welcome wake up call

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The point I was making was in the year 2019 the human race has still to organise itself so that all parts of the planet can be kind enough to be born into then live a happy life.

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The point I was making was in the year 2019 the human race has still to organise itself so that all parts of the planet can be kind enough to be born into then live a happy life.


Something I can completely agree with you about.

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I have it on reasonable authority that the Vietnamese gangs paid Albanians in London a considerable amount of money to take over the illegal cannabis production and distribution, in and around the capitol. These poor buggers are hired to cultivate the plants and join the distribution network.

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I have it on reasonable authority that the Vietnamese gangs paid Albanians in London a considerable amount of money to take over the illegal cannabis production and distribution, in and around the capitol. These poor buggers are hired to cultivate the plants and join the distribution network.


You are a bit late there mate. When Tony Blair 'relaxed' the laws regarding cannabis all it did was to promote the cultivation of cannabis oddly enough :roll: .
The persons exploiting the lack of scrutiny began to smuggle a growing number of Vietnamese men who became modern day slaves. These people were directly trafficked across several countries with the sole intent that they would become "Gardeners" for the grows owned by the main benefactors who in the main escaped justice.
These Gardeners had no access to light, food, heating, health care, representation, common speaking people, freedom and both they and their families were subject to constant threat and intimidation and hurt.
Every time you bust into one of these grows there would be one or two wretched Vietnamese individuals who like startled rabbits took the rap for the twats that the relevant authorities had not the time or mind to pursue.
These folk would then get convicted and sent to prison for a couple of years until it dawned on the police and the CPS that they were in fact victims themselves.
Section 45 of the Modern Day Slavery act was then bought in and gave these people a statutory defence to the crimes they were committing.
Like most things this safeguarded them for a short while until the criminal gangmasters realised that it was in fact a bargaining tool for them to import more Vietnamese staff as they virtually had immunity from prosecution.
Vietnamese folk who escaped from this trade inevitably ended up either 'Lost', 'Missing' or if they were lucky they became enslaved in the "Nail Bar" culture that western ladies love here in Blighty.

Good old Tony and Cherie have a lot to answer for today.

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Yep, the tin foil on the windows and smell of fish source is a bit of a give away.

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I think any sane young person would look on the latest election result and realise the end is close for the UK.

For anyone under 40.

I have a few words.

GET OUT.

GO.

NEVER LOOK BACK.

YOU WILL NEVER REGRET IT.

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I'm 68 and was thinking the same if Corbyn/SNP had prevailed. That is a viewpoint that many young people may aspire to but overall, despite the uncertainties around Brexit for the next few years, the UK can still be a leader in some fields of business and technology and there is a future for young people but the Government has to address the imbalances up and down the country for that. We are not near the end but venturing out into an unknown future and need to adapt more readily than ever before to trade, world standing, influences, military allies etc. It is not all gloom and doom.

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If you have little option but to stay try and live in low crime areas and check out private healthcare for you and yours.

Oh and Schools.

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